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To: ol painless

"I believe there is a move to go to court to try to get to the bottom of who might have set him up."

Setting someone up to fail a drug test would be very easy to do. Rub some Androgel on your hand and shake victims hand. They will probably test positive for synthetic testosterone.

http://www.androgel.com/

Good point, ol painless! Damn...how many people touched Landis or shook his hand to "console him" the night after Stage 16??? Things that make you go "HMMMM"...


105 posted on 08/06/2006 6:13:52 AM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: TampaDude

Bob Roll's take on the issue>

The newest American Tour de France champion has run afoul of the anti-doping
establishment in Europe, just as Lance Armstrong had done -- both through no
fault of their own. Their most egregious discretion being much better at
racing a bicycle than their European contemporaries.

One thing that has been underreported in the popular media is that no
illegal substance has been found in Landis’ system.

If we look just beyond a narrow ratio of epitestosterone vs. testosterone
and the French conceit regarding American Tour de France winners, it is easy
to see an anti-doping system that is random, seriously flawed and that most
importantly provides zero recourse for an athlete who is falsely accused of
a doping offensive.

Anti-doping authorities remain free to hurl any conjecture, opinion, or
theory against any athlete without recriminations, even if those accusations
prove to be false or have no merit.

If an athlete is accused of doping, his career is ruined. If an athlete is
accused and subsequently found to be innocent, his or her career is still
ruined -- but the persons responsible for those accusations have no
penalties that they have to face.

One example is the pall cast on Lance Armstrong’s Tour wins by WADA chief
Dick Pound. Although there was no concrete evidence ever provided by any
credible source challenging the veracity of Lance Armstrong’s Tour wins, Mr.
Pound faces no penalties. And, Mr. Pound has not hesitated in casting
aspersions on Lance Armstrong’s record.

Has Dick Pound's credibility ever been as viciously attacked as he has
attacked cycling? He is still in his position of power and prestige, free to
ignore 100’s of doping control samples Lance Armstrong has provided -- all
of which were negative under WADA’s own guidelines.

Will Floyd Landis be subjected to the same program directed at cyclists by
the anti-doping authorities of the world? It seems to already be the case.
He will have to run the same crucible as Lance Armstrong has had to do and
defend his yellow jersey -- not only on the roads of the Tour, but also in
the court’s popular media and in the fans of cycling’s appreciation of the
sport.

The people will remain steadfast in their devotion to this world’s most
beautiful sporting spectacle, in spite of WADA’s best efforts to ruin
cycling’s reputation.

As anti-doping efforts continue to be fraught with inconsistencies,
half-truths, and true lies, it is more and more difficult to ascertain when
an athlete is found to be positive. In Floyd’s case, many questions are
difficult to ignore.

Can one sample be nearly three times different in 24 hours than a previous
sample?

Can the body absorb, metabolize and convert any substance into a
controllable sample that has been recorded to be a ratio of 11 to 1 of
testosterone vs. epitestosterone -- almost three times the allowable ratio
in one single day?

Can any doctor explain the findings in a way regular people can understand?

In the meantime, the B sample is in limbo somewhere next to the 2006 yellow
jersey. No names are to be released if an A sample is positive until the B
sample confirms. Oh well, if you are an anti-doping agent your own edicts do
not apply.

I won’t believe Floyd is guilty of these accusations until Floyd says he did
indeed use the products he is accused of being positive for.


106 posted on 08/06/2006 6:56:15 AM PDT by yobid (Islam is a disease and its death is the cure - deus clypus meus)
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To: TampaDude

That's a lot of Androgel to produce an 11:1 ratio. Has Landis raised that possibility? If not, why not? What's next? Faked moon landings?


108 posted on 08/06/2006 7:23:31 AM PDT by RichardW
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