[ml1954]

You are mistaken:

Nope. The argument presupposes a creator that was not created. Think about this carefully.

[sauron]

Nope. The argument presupposes a creator that was not created. Think about this carefully.

Nope.

Re-read post #181.

The KCA merely states that the universe, because it exists, cannot be infinitely old, nor can it cause itself--that something/someone acted to cause it to come into being.

Don't infer anything more. It's a powerful tool to get people to think about what it is out there that is greater than the universe.

Something out there is greater than, and created, the universe.

A river cannot be higher than its own source.(the universe cannot be greater than whatever created it) ...and the universe sho 'nuff didn't create itself!

Sauron