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Adam Aircraft Announces A500 Aircraft Featured in 'Miami Vice,' the Movie
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| Jul 5, 2006
Posted on 08/03/2006 8:30:46 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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Cool plane. I will see the movie just for the aerial scenes.
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:30:48 AM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: KeyLargo
what is the point of such a wacked out design?
To: Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; Wright is right!; ..
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:33:49 AM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: KeyLargo
That thing looks like a flat spin waiting to happen. Vertical stabs too short for the width apart, and those winglets are a joke. I would love to read the certification docs on that airplane.
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:36:24 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: KeyLargo
Adam Aircraft Announces A500 Aircraft...That's an ample amount of alliteration.
To: the invisib1e hand
what is the point of such a wacked out design? Safety. If you lose one engine, a centerline-thrust twin is easier to control than one with the engines mounted on the wings.
Light twins actually have a worse accident record than single-engine planes. With twice the engines, you are twice as likely to have an engine-out event, and when you do, the a standard twin-engine craft becomes a widowmaker. It is likely to stall and/or spin if you make a turn towards the side of the dead engine.
-ccm
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:39:14 AM PDT
by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: the invisib1e hand
An updated version of the Cessna Mixmaster?
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:40:01 AM PDT
by
FreePaul
To: the invisib1e hand

Like the old Cessna 337. Push/pull idea. I think the props rotate in opposite directions making for a very stable ride. Also, should one quit, especially on take off, the forces won't want to flip you over.
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:40:06 AM PDT
by
Sax
(You Done Tore Out My Heart And Stomped That Sucker Flat)
To: the invisib1e hand
what is the point of such a wacked out design? Bottom line, better control and less drag.
Since it is a pusher-pull configuration (cancelling out engine torque), you very well can't have a conventional tail. This configuration minimizes fuselage cross section, thus drag.
Getting the tail control surfaces away from the engine wash makes control predictable and efficient.
Other details address streamlining and minimum drag.
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:40:23 AM PDT
by
Publius6961
(overwhelming force behaving underwhelmingly is a waste.)
To: KeyLargo
Anyone know if this thing has trouble keeping the rear engine cooled? This was a big problem with the old Skymaster.
-ccm
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:40:39 AM PDT
by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: KeyLargo
Looks like the old Cessna Huff and Puff to me the 336 Skymaster with a new tail. The were horribly noisy planes to fly. Were also called the poor man's twin.
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:40:45 AM PDT
by
reagandemo
(The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
To: KeyLargo; dalereed
The Adam is behind the market curve for Very Light Jets.
The Eclipse E500 (based in Albuquerque) just received provisional FAA certification. $1.5 million apiece.
"Vern Raburn, chief executive of Eclipse Aviation, says he has over 2,500 orders for the Eclpise E-500, most of which required a non-refundable deposit of $125,000."
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:45:25 AM PDT
by
fishtank
To: fishtank
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT
by
fishtank
To: Pukin Dog
Here is the link to the specs and safety information:
http://www.pilotjournal.com/content/2006/marapr/adam_a500.html
"...Another goal of Adams push-pull design is to revive the pressurized twin without reintroducing the risks formerly associated with those original, heavy, corporate piston twins. Centerline thrust is regarded as so safe and easy to handle by the FAA that theres a special twin rating formerly dedicated strictly to the CLT Cessna Skymasters, but now applicable to the Adam A500, as well...."
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:47:38 AM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: KeyLargo
Thanks!
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:54:20 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: fishtank
You must not have heard of the
Adam A700:

Flight testing has been going on for 6 or 8 months and certification is expected later this year.
The A500 isn't supposed to be competitive with VLJs. It's a piston twin and is in a totally different market.
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posted on
08/03/2006 8:55:21 AM PDT
by
Turbopilot
(iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
To: KeyLargo
If Rutan designed it, its good enough for me. It just doesn't look right. If those vertical stabs were 50% higher, I would feel better.
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posted on
08/03/2006 9:00:14 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: fishtank
It will be interesting to see how the A700 does. They still have a way to go on certification, the A700 is slower, more expensive, but carries two more people with more cargo room. I know they are trying to sell either the A500 or the A700 to the government for customs/border patrol work. I've seen pictures of one with a FLIR system mounted on the wing.
The thing to watch with the Eclipse will be any kinds of longevity and manufacturing issues once they go into production. One of the reasons Eclipse is so cheap is that they are using some manufacturing practices to keep costs down. One of those is welding a lot of structures that would be rivetted on a conventionally built aircraft. In the out years I could see some significant NDI requirements if there is ever a failure in one of those welds.
One thing I will say for Eclipse is that they are dealing with liability in a proactive way. When you place an aircraft within the reach of doctors, lawyers, business people you have to fear a rash of mishaps. Can you imagine a Kennedy buying one of these things? The $1.5mil price includes training which they have sourced out to United Airlines in Denver. Depending on your experience level after training you may or may not require some number of hours with a "mentor" pilot. I don't know how Eclipse will enforce that, but that is their intent.
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posted on
08/03/2006 9:00:36 AM PDT
by
USNBandit
(sarcasm engaged at all times)
To: Pukin Dog
If those vertical stabs were 50% higher, I would feel better.You like vertical stabs? I've got just the car for you.
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posted on
08/03/2006 9:04:37 AM PDT
by
USNBandit
(sarcasm engaged at all times)
To: USNBandit
Now, THAT is a car that can handle high alpha without yaw!
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posted on
08/03/2006 9:08:09 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
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