Could Landis been framed on the night before his comeback? (Vanity)

[AZRepublican]

Nothing is adding up (in my mind at least) with the charges of illegal doping by Landis. Consider the following points:

1) His previous tests were clean.

2) Any kind of illegal doping on the night of his comeback would have zero affect on his performance the following day.

3) Why would anyone who knows they face mandatory testing take banned substances they know very well would be detected?

Me think the culprit in this scandal isn’t Landis, but someone or group who wanted to discredit him and bring shame to American cyclists. This is the only motive and explanation that makes any sense.

[maine-iac7]

someone or group who wanted to discredit him

I thought the same on day one

[jess35]

I find it odd that the other 4 days he was tested, nothing was amiss. I don't trust the French and if I were Landis, I'd demand the "B" sample be tested by a different lab in another country. None of this should ever have been disclosed until both samples were tested but the lab and the ICU have been running to the media with this story. That makes this extremely suspect.

[knarf]

I'm not following this .. has he had the second test and are the results in?

[alfa6]

Got another one for the TdF list

And not in the least thanks for the dialy threads :-)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[airborne]

I wouldn't put it past the 'F'ing French.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

Does anyone know how you take in testosterone if you are cheating? Can you drink it or do you have to inject it?

If it can be ingested through drinking then maybe someone spiked his Jack, but if it had to be injected then ...

[Dysart]

Report: Synthetic testosterone found in Landis urine sample

[ladyjane]

I don't trust the French

Who does?

[TampaDude]

I'm not following this .. has he had the second test and are the results in?

Nope...not yet...the "B" sample hasn't been tested yet. I just saw some reports that say synthetic testosterone was found in the "A" sample, but that still doesn't make sense...why would Landis take testosterone the night before Stage 17, knowing full well he'd be tested. Besides, 'roids don't work overnight! It just doesn't make any sense. Either Landis is the stupidest cheater ever, or he is being framed. I tend to believe the latter.

[Leto]

There were a couple of things that didn't make sense to em. EPO whihc enhances oxygen uptake has been the drug of choice for cyclist. I don't know what testorone would do for Landis in an Alpine Stage?

He was tested each day he had the Yellow Jersey. That is SOP at the Tour. So this doesn't make sense. I understand the level of testosterone wasn't unusally high but the ratio of testosterone to episterone (SP?), that was the issue. Have to let the medical guys sort this one out.

[Cobra64]

[COEXERJ145]

You can get a testosterone shot or in gel form you rub it onto the skin of your stomach and shoulders.

[TampaDude]

LOL...

[LadyFeline]

"To: AZRepublican
Does anyone know how you take in testosterone if you are cheating? Can you drink it or do you have to inject it?

If it can be ingested through drinking then maybe someone spiked his Jack, but if it had to be injected then ..."

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Hah! No one spiked his drink. hehehehe Here's a quote from Extreme-Athlete.com.

"Testosterone was/is common among cyclists. That feeling of 'well being' BB'ers get on test means quicker recuperation for a cyclist thats riding 80-120 miles a day 7 days a week for 9-11 months a year. Not uncommon for these guys to ride 25,000 miles in a year. A guy could theoretically take a 100mg shot of test (testosterone) suspension (no ester) in the morning; he'd benefit from it for 4-6 hours then his T:E ratio would be back to normal by the time he's tested at he end of a 5-hour 120 mile stage. Maybe they used prop instead which wouldnt clear that fast."

Pretty casual chat eh?

[TampaDude]

"Testosterone was/is common among cyclists. That feeling of 'well being' BB'ers get on test means quicker recuperation for a cyclist thats riding 80-120 miles a day 7 days a week for 9-11 months a year. Not uncommon for these guys to ride 25,000 miles in a year. A guy could theoretically take a 100mg shot of test (testosterone) suspension (no ester) in the morning; he'd benefit from it for 4-6 hours then his T:E ratio would be back to normal by the time he's tested at he end of a 5-hour 120 mile stage. Maybe they used prop instead which wouldnt clear that fast."

Uh, nope...testosterone doesn't work that way...it's not like speed...it gives results when used over a period of weeks and months, in conjunction with weight training. It is used to build mass and strength, but does not improve cardiorespiratory endurance, which is what matters in the TDF. If Landis took testosterone the night before Stage 17, then he is an idiot, because he derived no benefit from it. He did not win Stage 17 because of 'roids, folks!

[expatpat]

He didn't have to take it the night before for it to show up in his urine after he won the stage. However, I am also suspicious. If he had taken drugs I suspect that they would have been the unusual, hard-to-detect type.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

"or in gel form you rub it onto the skin of your stomach and shoulders"

Well I guess he shouldn't have had sex with that beautiful french woman that just happened to show up at his hotel room the night before the stage. ;-)

[RichardW]

This is what I was afraid of. Unless he can establish that he got the synthetic testosterone unknowingly from someone else, then his goose is cooked. The real question is why he would have done it because it couldn't have so quickly accounted for his comeback. A real shame.

[RichardW]

That's actually a danger for women if they engage in sex with men who have applied the salve to their bodies. It will raise their testosterone levels of which there is a small fraction compared to men. It could have some undesirable results.