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2 Durham officers charged with assault (Another DukeLax Coverup)
Durham HeraldSun ^ | July 28, 2006 | Ray Gronberg

Posted on 07/28/2006 4:52:22 AM PDT by abb

DURHAM -- Raleigh police have charged two Durham Police Department officers in connection with an incident that occurred July 20 outside a Glenwood Avenue sports bar.

The officers, Gary Powell Lee, 38, of 3588 Copper Creek Lane, Franklinton, and Scott Christian Tanner, 33, of 2516 Hiking Trail, Raleigh, both face counts of simple assault. Conviction on the misdemeanor carries with it, for someone with no prior offenses on their record, the possibility of a maximum 30-day jail sentence and a $1,000 fine.

Lee and Tanner are accused of assaulting Rene Dennis Thomas, a cook who works at Blinco's Sports Restaurant and Bar, 6711 Glenwood Ave., Raleigh. The charges stem from a parking-lot altercation that occurred late on July 20 as five current and two former Durham Police Department officers were leaving a going-away party for a departing officer.

A criminal summons issued Thursday alleged that Lee, a member of the department's Special Operations Division, tried to strike Thomas and tackled him, causing the cook to fall to the ground. A second summons alleged that Tanner, a motorcycle officer who works in the department's Traffic Services Unit, kicked Thomas in the head.

Thomas has told television reporters that as many as six men participated in the assault, which began with an exchange of racial slurs. But Raleigh Police Department spokesman Jim Sughrue said detectives in that city don't intend to charge anyone else in connection with the incident, or add later to the charges they've already filed.

"It's been extensively investigated, and we're confident that the responsible individuals have been charged," Sughrue said.

But Lee and Tanner -- and three of their colleagues -- could still face sanctions from the Durham Police Department. An internal investigation is continuing and should conclude in two to three weeks, Police Chief Steve Chalmers said at a news conference Thursday.

The Durham probe is focusing on a wider range of issues that include the alleged use of racial slurs. "The alleged conduct is something that is certainly deplorable to us, and something we don't want to be consistent in the way we operate and conduct ourselves," Chalmers said. "The entire allegation is disturbing."

Lee and Tanner had previously been restricted to administrative duties, and remain so. The other three officers in the case -- Sgt. Mark Gottlieb, Officer Richard Clayton and Officer James Griffin -- had also been restricted but on Thursday were allowed to resume their normal duties.

The decision doesn't mean the three have been cleared, but does indicate that based on "the facts we've already uncovered ... there's no reason we can't put these officers back on full duty," Chalmers said.

Asked later if that meant the three had played only a minor role in the incident, Chalmers said, "At least we can say it wasn't a major role."

All of the officers have the right to a lawyer's help, and two, Gottlieb and Lee, have retained the Durham firm of Clayton Myrick McClanahan & Coulter to represent them as the internal investigation and criminal case unfold.

A lawyer there, Allen Mason, confirmed Thursday that senior partner Jerry Clayton had spoken to Gottlieb and that another of his colleagues, former Assistant District Attorney Freda Black, had spoken to Lee.

One of the two former Durham officers involved in the case, James Kennedy, has also retained Clayton's firm and has talked with Mason. Kennedy is a former motorcycle officer who left the department late last year. The other former Durham officer who was present remains unidentified.

Asked if the lawyers and their clients would speak up to offer their version of what happened, Mason said there's "not a chance in the world" of that happening outside formal channels.

"We're not Duke lacrosse lawyers," Mason said alluding to the year's most highly publicized Durham Police Department case, one that Gottlieb and Richard Clayton, who's no relation to lawyer Jerry Clayton, have both worked on. "We don't practice that way. We don't comment about pending cases, we don't do interviews, we don't make statements."

The Raleigh charges were notable for the fact that they didn't address what Thomas has said was the first act of the confrontation, a move by one of the men involved to poke him in the shoulder with a finger. The charge against Lee addressed an act Thomas alleged was committed immediately afterward by a second man, and the charge against Tanner addressed something that happened after Thomas fell to the ground.

The shoulder poke was likely a criminal act under North Carolina law, given court decisions that have held "the merest unauthorized touching of another [person] is an assault," said Barry Winston, a criminal-defense lawyer in Chapel Hill.

A judge "who strictly interprets the law would, I suspect, hold that North Carolina law requires him to convict someone who walks up to someone and in an antagonistic fashion pokes that person with his finger," although that's "not what the average person thinks of as assault," Winston said.

Raleigh detectives filed Thursday's charges after consulting prosecutors in Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby's office, a move Sughrue said is standard in officer-involved cases. The spokesman declined to say why there wasn't a charge addressing the alleged shoulder-poke.

"Based on the investigation of the case, and facts present, it was determined that these two charges were the appropriate charges to bring," Sughrue said.

Thomas was surprised Thursday to hear that the charges involved the officers they did. "Lee and Tanner? Huh. OK. Check that again and call me back," he said before cutting off a brief interview. "I don't think you have the right guys."

The cook did not elaborate, and did not return a call placed to his cell phone late Thursday afternoon.

The Raleigh department's decision to issue a criminal summons for each of the officers, rather than an arrest warrant, saved Lee and Tanner an appearance before a magistrate and possibly the need to post bail to avoid detention. Sughrue said the officers didn't receive any special treatment.

"That is very typically the way a simple assault case is handled," he said. "That's very consistent with the way we'd handle the same case if the suspects had not been law enforcement officers."

Also routine was the Raleigh department's decision to assign detectives from its own internal-affairs unit to work the case. No matter what agency they work for, when police are "suspect in a case in Raleigh, the case is investigated by internal affairs," Sughrue said.

Elected officials said they're watching how the criminal case plays out.

Mayor Bill Bell said the allegations, if true, are unfortunate. "If in fact it did happen, I'd hope they'd be prosecuted to the fullest extent," he said.

City Councilman Eugene Brown agreed. "It's always problematic when you have those hired and paid for enforcing the law breaking the law," he said. "I want to withhold judgment, but so far, this is just embarrassing."

Lee has worked for the department since 1999. Tanner joined the force in 1997, and was recently the beneficiary of a department-organized fundraiser intended to help him and another officer pay for cancer treatments. He suffers from Hodgkin's


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To: abb

Originally published in:
The Herald-Sun
Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Edition: Final

http://www.mikenifongda.com/news10.php

After an 11-year term of office that brought landmark changes to Durham's legal system, District Attorney Jim Hardin Jr. was named Monday to a special Superior Court judgeship that will require him to preside over civil and criminal cases across the state.

(snip)

"Jim Hardin was a compassionate DA, maybe more than some people gave him credit for," (Judge) Hudson added. "I think he will be a very good judge. I don't think he will have much trouble making the required adjustment or transition."


181 posted on 07/29/2006 9:44:06 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

More Durham follies...

http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=5307

Mr. James E. Hardin Jr.
District Attorney
Durham Co. Judicial Building
201 East Main Street, 6th Floor
Durham, NC 27701

Dear Mr. Hardin,

On behalf of the American Society of Newspapers Editors, I am writing to protest the recent arrest of Raleigh News & Observer reporter Demorris Lee.

As you know, Mr. Lee was charged with making harassing telephone calls after leaving two voice messages on the home answering machine of an individual from whom he sought comment for a news story. If the facts in this case are as we understand them, it is Mr. Lee who is being subjected to harassment by legal authorities as a result of doing his job as a reporter. Surely it cannot be illegal for a journalist to make a good faith effort to seek fair comment for a news story.

We also find the timing of Mr. Lee's arrest curious. Ruth A. Brown, employed by the Durham Police Department, filed her complaint against Mr. Lee and an arrest warrant was issued on Oct. 22. But Mr. Lee was not arrested until Sunday, Nov. 14, which was several days after he had filed a request with the Durham Police Department seeking additional public records in a case involving one of its employees, Ms. Brown.

(snip)

We insist that these charges be dropped immediately.

Sincerely,


Karla Garrett Harshaw


182 posted on 07/29/2006 9:45:05 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
Didn't Duke push the frats and teams off campus into the neighborhoods--where they would certainly get into trouble with the neighbors (instead of leaving them on a kind of "fraternity row" on campus)?

Duke does not have off-campus frat houses. All the frat houses are located in university residence halls. I'm vaguely recalling something in the Duke endowment or some such that all official housing had to be on campus. There are no sorority houses at all. I'm not sure why. Formerly, the frat houses occupied the most desirable residence halls which were main quad west campus. Brodhead's predecessor, Nan Keohane, exiled many of the frat houses to remote parts of the campus. This was supposed to diminish the "party atmosphere" on main west and produce a more "intellectual atmoshpere".

Didn't Duke push the frats and teams off campus into the neighborhoods--where they would certainly get into trouble with the neighbors (instead of leaving them on a kind of "fraternity row" on campus)?

After dispersing the frats, Duke (as well as many other schools) started rigorous enforcement of the new lower drinking age. (It formerly was 18 beer and wine and 21 for hard liquor.) This stopped the Durham cops from coming on campus to enforce the lower drinking age and reduced Duke's legal liability from any on-campus alcohol-related incidents. This is what had the effect of pushing all the parties off campus and into conflict with the neighbors.

The current Duke administration doesn't like frats/athletics?

At Duke, as many other schools, there has been long-standing tension between the athletic and academic side of the house. Again, most of this started under Keohane who came from Wellesley and who wanted to turn Duke into an ultra-liberal New-England-style college where everyone wanders around the ivory tower consumed with angst about injustice and the lack of world peace, and where the major weekend event would not be the basketball game but the road trip to Washington to protest whatever was the cause de jour.

With sufficient complaints, maybe they could lthen move to abolish frats and/or curtail some athletics? (Believe me, some of them are wacko enough to think that way.) Was this the pattern at some of the universities where some of the admin had served before coming to Duke?

See above. The admin executes whatever agenda they want without regard to provocation or incidents.

Ergo, was there a deliberate encouragement of complaints against frats/athletic team houses? Or at least a welcoming of same?

What we have here is the law of unintended consequences. The admin thought if they stopped the partying on campus then they would stop the partying entirely. As in Jurassic Park...

Henry Wu: You're implying that a group composed entirely of female animals will... breed?
Dr. Ian Malcolm: No, I'm simply saying that life, uh... finds a way.


In this case those who want to have a party will "find a way" regardless of what the admin or the law says.
183 posted on 07/29/2006 9:50:08 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: abb

Thanks , for the info abb :)

Thanks too , for the duke defense fund link !


184 posted on 07/29/2006 9:51:54 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: CondorFlight

Excellent work CF. I just posted it on Melanie's blog...


185 posted on 07/29/2006 9:54:09 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: CondorFlight

Interesting comments.

There were comments from at least one Duke professor about eliminating sports ... can't recall his name at the moment.

///

All:



Trinity Park Properties - Update Message List
Reply | Forward Message #5194 of 5209

I don't think this has posted on our listserv. If it has, apologies for the
duplication.

------ Forwarded Message
From: Susan Kauffman
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:50 -0400

Subject: INC NEWS - Trinity Park Properties - Update

This email is to update you on the status of the Trinity Park
properties purchased by Durham Realty, Inc., a support corporation of
Duke University, from the family of Guy Solie.

To date, none of these properties are under contract, although we
have received offers on four of them and are negotiating with three
of the offerors.

At this point in the process, we are willing to solicit offers from
builders who wish to renovate and resell a property and are willing
to agree to the terms of our plan as outlined below:

* Offers of prospective buyers will be considered on a first
come, first serve basis; buyers may submit offers on up to three
properties each.

* Prospective buyers will be able to tour the houses with their
contractors or inspectors by appointment with Joan Austin of Marie
Austin Realty. To schedule an appointment with Joan, please call her
at her office, 286-5611, or on her cell phone, 604-5060.

* The minium prices for each property are as follows:
$210,000 for 710 Buchanan Blvd.
$387,500 for 708 Buchanan Blvd.,
$412,400 for 704 Buchanan Blvd.
$230,000 for 1111 Urban Ave.
$230,000 for 1107 Urban Ave.
$260,000 for 508 Buchanan Blvd.
$387,500 for 203 Watts St. (duplex)

* Offers must be accompanied by (a) a $500 refundable deposit,
(b) a copy of a prequalification letter from a bank designated by
Seller, and (c) a copy of buyer¹s renovation and landscaping plan
(but only for the buyer¹s first choice property). Offers may be
submitted at any time. The offer(s) will be submitted on the
attached form; no Offer to Purchase and Contract or similar official
document is needed to make an offer.

* These sales will be subject to covenants requiring single-
family, owner occupancy of the properties (except in the case of the
duplex at 203 Watts where one unit may be rented but only for single-
family residential use). There also will be a covenant requiring
approval of exterior architectural changes and improvements.

* At closing, buyers will be required either to obtain a
construction loan (which may be rolled into a permanent loan upon
completion of construction) or to escrow with Durham Realty (the
Seller) the amount to be spent by the buyers on an approved
renovation plan, with funds to be released only as the renovation
work is performed. In order to give prospective buyers a sense of
the scope and extent of renovation plans expected of them, please
understand that it is the Seller¹s expectation that all renovation
plans will cost at a minimum a figure in the range of $50,000 -
100,000.

* All people who intend to meet the requirements of the covenants
and contractual terms are invited to bid for these houses, as well as
builders who agree to comply with the terms of the following
paragraph. Affiliation with Duke University is not a requirement.
As a general matter, we are looking for the best combination of
purchase price offer plus renovation plan. Please note that this
process is not intended to be an auction.

* Beginning July 26, 2006, Durham Realty will accept offers from
builders or contractors who wish to renovate one of these properties
and then resell it pursuant to a contractual requirement that, when
the property is resold, it will be subject to covenants described
above requiring single-family residential use.

* Durham Realty has hired Joan Austin of Marie Austin Realty to
show the properties and, if needed, to provide assistance and
contractor recommendations to help buyers with their renovation
plans. No brokerage commissions will be paid by Seller. Buyer may
choose to compensate a buyer¹s broker. All offers will be made
directly to Durham Realty. After an offer is accepted, the Buyer and
Seller will enter into a formal real estate contract prepared by
Seller. A buyer may be represented by a Buyer's agent or attorney in
negotiating this contract.

* A prospective purchaser must obtain loan pre-approval from the
Bank of America or BB&T at the time he or she submits an offer (but
is not obligated to take out a permanent loan with this bank). The
contact information for the banks are as follows:

o Josey Miketa, Account Executive,


o Pat Lawrence, VP and Mortgage Loan Officer,

This information will be updated and, if necessary, modified from
time to time on this website, www.realestate.duke.edu.

Thank you for your interest.

If you do not wish to receive any more updates, please let me know,
and you will be removed from this listserv.

Jeffrey H. Potter
Director, Real Estate Admin., Duke University
President, Durham Realty, Inc.
_______________________________________________


186 posted on 07/29/2006 9:56:27 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Can somebody tour these and snap photos of the bathroom?
Maybe with somebody inside it for comparison?


187 posted on 07/29/2006 9:58:23 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

Does an "exceptional" case need the approval of the NC supreme court chief justice?

by John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun
http://www.imakenews.com/pureaircontrols/e_article000387949.cfm?x=b11,0,w

DURHAM -- Nine months after litigation arose from a mold outbreak at N.C. Central University, a number of lawyers gathered with Durham's senior judge on Thursday to figure out where the lawsuits are headed.

(snip)

Everyone agreed on three points Thursday:

-- The cases should be declared "exceptional" so that one judge can oversee them from now on, providing continuity to the litigation as it moves forward. Otherwise, different judges would have to make decisions at different times.

(snip)

"I think it probably is an exceptional case," said Superior Court Judge Orlando F. Hudson. "I think we can resolve the exceptional case issue fairly quickly. That's what we've got to do first."

The chief justice of the N.C. Supreme Court, who must make the decision, will be asked to declare the cases exceptional soon, according to Shuart and Hudson.


188 posted on 07/29/2006 10:00:43 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

I admit I am confused ...

From the H-S:

If the "exceptional" designation comes, those involved in the lacrosse matter would come up with the names of three possible judges and submit them to the Supreme Court chief justice, who would select one of them.
///

Another question ...

Select three from where, Durham Superior Court Judges?

Stanback
Stephens
Titus
Hardin
Hudson


189 posted on 07/29/2006 10:18:53 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Under no circumstances could I see the defense agreeing to a Durham County Judge. They're all filty dirty...


190 posted on 07/29/2006 10:25:13 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: maggief

*filthy...


191 posted on 07/29/2006 10:34:32 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Mad-Margaret
You will be hard pressed to find a moderate judge anywhere in the judicial system in North Carolina.
192 posted on 07/29/2006 10:35:00 AM PDT by TommyDale (i)
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To: TommyDale

That's sad.


193 posted on 07/29/2006 10:35:36 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: CondorFlight

This is a great idea! Reminds me of the Mark Chmura trial. The defense recreated the bathroom & proved there was no way it could have happened the way the accuser claimed.


194 posted on 07/29/2006 10:42:21 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (...heavy strings, tune low, play hard and floor it. Floor it. That's technical talk....)
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To: maggief
Campus Echo Online - Campus News

November 8 2001
Vol. 93, Issue 3

NCCU trustee Bell elected Durham mayor
In a race seen by some as a showdown between slow growth and unimpeded development, Bill Bell wins a narrow victory.
By Marla Luster
Echo Assistant Editor


Bill Bell, an N.C. Central University trustee, was elected mayor of Durham Tuesday over two-term incumbent Nick Tennyson by 366 votes, or 1.1 percent, according to unofficial results.

Bell, a Democrat, served as county commissioner for 22 years.

Beginning Dec. 3, Bell will lead Durham's first seven-member city council, down from 13.

Bell, 60, had support from The Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People, People's Alliance, and the city workers unions.

As mayor, Bell, told the Herald Sun in a Nov. 6 article that he will "declare a war on slums and blight" by making it a priority to develop inner-city neighborhoods, not just the suburbs.

“I would try to focus my energies and the city’s energies into improving the city’s neighborhoods,” Bell told the Herald Sun.

He said the city would work with developers to provide whatever resources the neighborhoods need to get rid of boarded up, abandoned houses and establish affordable housing.

Bell said he also wants to focus on lowering Durham's crime rate by bringing together the city police and county sheriffs.

Bell said he will host forums for residents, police, sheriffs and elected officials.

According to Bell, he also wants to provide good financial leadership for the city.

During the campaign Bell criticized his Republican opponent Tennyson for not adequately researching Triangle Economic Development Corp., the firm hired to run the small-business loan program.

Officials believe that many of the 24 small businesses that received $828,000 of federal money from the state do not exist, according a Nov. 6 Herald Sun article.

Tennyson’s role as executive vice president of the Home Builders Association of Durham and Orange Counties posed a conflict of interest.

Bell is chairman of the Triangle Transit Authority board of trustees.

Bell promised that, as mayor, he would build a stronger relationship among the schools, the county and the city. Bell received a master's degree in electrical engineering from NYU.

School bond passes

In a more contentious race, the school bonds issue in Durham was resolved with a 234-86 victory in favor of the $52 million allocation for Durham schools. It was among five bonds on the ballot, all of which passed.

The Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People and the Durham chapter of the NAACP opposed the bond. Their argument was that black children are not succeeding in public schools when a disproportionate number of black students repeat grades, are suspended, drop out, and are placed in low-performance classes. Another complaint cites the omission of schools like C.C. Spalding and W.G. Pearson on the school system ‘s list of renovations.

 

195 posted on 07/29/2006 10:44:23 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: maggief
"Select three from where, Durham Superior Court Judges?

Stanback

Stephens

Titus

Hardin

Hudson

No, they would select from:

Moe

Larry

Curly

196 posted on 07/29/2006 10:46:56 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: TommyDale

LOL. No Shemp?


197 posted on 07/29/2006 10:52:08 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (...heavy strings, tune low, play hard and floor it. Floor it. That's technical talk....)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

NCCU Board of Trustees

MEMBER LISTING
(as of July, 2006):
 

Mr. Cressie H. Thigpen, Jr., Chair                           
Thigpen, Blue, Stephens & Fellers
Post Office Box 1730
Raleigh , NC 27602
o) (919) 833-1931
h) (919) 847-1472
f) (919) 833-8009
e-mail: cressiet@tbsf-law.com
Mr. Eric C. Michaux
Post Office Box 2152
Durham , North Carolina 27702
o) (919) 596-8181
f) (919) 596-8183
e-mail:
emichaux@aol.com
Mrs. Kay T. Thomas, Vice Chair
1837 Augustus Drive
Rocky Mount , NC 27801
h) (252) 977-3451
f) (252) 977-3828
e-mail: kaythoma@cox.net
Mrs. Nancy J. Wysenski
EMD Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
3201 Shannon Road
Suite 500
Durham, NC 27707
o) (919) 401-7139
h) (919) 384-8888
f) (919) 401-7165
e-mail:
Mr. George W. Miller, III, Secretary
Haywood, Denny & Miller, LLP
Post Office Box 51429
Durham , NC 27717
o) (919) 403-0000
h) (919) 493-1430
f) (919) 403-0001
e-mail: gwm3@hdmllp.com 
Mr. W. Travis Porter
Maupin Taylor , PA
Post Office Box 13646
Research Triangle Park , NC 27709
o) (919) 361-4900
h) (919) 489-4928
f) (919) 361-2262
e-mail: tporter@maupintaylor.com
Mr. Glenn B. Adams
Mitchell, Brewer, Richardson, Adams, Burge & Boughman  
Post Office Box 190
Fayetteville, NC 28302
o) (910) 223-1400
h) (910) 822-4578
f) (910) 485-1021
e-mail: glenn.adams@abb-law.com
Mr. R. Edward Stewart
UDI Community Development Corp.
Post Office Box 1349
Durham , NC 27707
o) (919) 544-4597
h) (919) 688-1487
f) (919) 544-4609
e-mail: redwardstewart@udicdc.org
Mr. Charles J. Baron
1328 Juniper Street, NW
Washington , DC 20012
h) (202) 722-1850
f) (202) 722-0580
e-mail: chkjbaron@aol.com
Mr. Robert C. Williams
2713 Rosehill Road
Fayetteville , NC 28301
h) (910) 488-7587
f) (910) 488- 6465
e-mail: rcwmshsd@earthlink.net
Mr. Robert E. Dolan
Merck & Co. Inc.
Post Office Box 4-WP-36-M-4
West Point , PA 19486-0004
o) (215) 652-3464
h) (215) 368-1049
f) (215) 993-3400
e-mail: robert_dolan@merck.com
Mr. Mukhtar Raqib, SGA President
North Carolina Central University
Post Office Box 20571
Durham, NC 27707
c) (202) 409-0809
f) (919) 530-7958
e-mail: mraqib0716@mail.nccu.edu
Bishop Eddie Long
New Birth Missionary Baptist Church
Post Office Box 1019
Lithonia , GA 30058
o) (770) 696-9669
f) (770) 696-9681
e-mail: amclaughlin@newbirth.org
 


 


198 posted on 07/29/2006 10:56:58 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Sue Perkick

Gosh, he must have been before my time! LOL!


199 posted on 07/29/2006 11:01:16 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: TommyDale

Very funny. LOL.


200 posted on 07/29/2006 11:03:19 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (...heavy strings, tune low, play hard and floor it. Floor it. That's technical talk....)
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