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To: Ready4Freddy; luv2ski; All
Some more discussion via the NYT...

Landis Is On Message, but Points Are Disputed by Juliet Macur & Gina Kolata (NYT Sat 07.29.06)

(snip)...some of the information Landis provided about the doping test runs counter to an explanation of the situation by the chief medical officer of the International Cycling Union, the sport’s governing body...Landis was guarded in teleconferences Thursday and yesterday and said he did not know what his ratio was, but Mario Zorzoli, the cycling union’s medical officer, said the union always provided a complete report on the test — including the testosterone ratio — to the rider and the team.

“The athlete receives the report that we receive,” Zorzoli said in a telephone interview from Brazil. “Of course the rider gets that information.”...Landis has said that he has naturally high levels of testosterone and did not take the hormone. He was subjected to eight doping tests during the Tour, and he said it was possible that he did not get a positive result in the other tests because those other samples might not have been tested for testosterone. But Zorzoli said every sample provided by cyclists was tested for the hormone in the routine test conducted by all laboratories. “Every sample is tested for the complete menu — the usual menu,” Zorzoli said

(snip)...If Landis had a naturally high ratio of testosterone, it should have showed up in the drug tests he has taken throughout his career. Since his tests were never questioned until now...William Bremner, an endocrinologist and chairman of the department of medicine at the University of Washington, said some men had naturally high ratios of testosterone. “There are a few men who have ratios as high as 8 to 1 or 10 to 1,” he said. ...Bremner said it was possible that alcohol would temporarily elevate the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio. Scandinavian studies showed such an effect, Bremner said, adding that the researchers also noted that they could test for alcohol in the same urine samples. So, perhaps Landis’s claims that he was drinking could be confirmed by testing his samples...

(snip)...cyclists have tested positive for testosterone in the past — as recently as 2002, when Stefan Rütimann of Switzerland failed a test. (snip)An athlete might take an amount of testosterone that he believes will not produce an excessively high ratio.

What if Landis took testosterone in desperation after Stage 16, thinking it would help him the next day? If an athlete rubbed on a testosterone gel or applied a patch that released the hormone, his level would rise for only a day or two, Bremner said. Other tests, before and after that day, would probably be normal.

The key is to look at the pattern of Landis’s tests and see if his testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio is consistent or whether it varied, said John McKinlay, the senior vice president and chief scientist at the New England Research Institutes.

“You don’t get variations in human beings,” he said. “If there is a spike that coincides with that day when he did fantastically well, that answers the question.”

Unless, of course, alcohol raised his testosterone level. Or unless the test was in error. Or unless the B sample shows a normal ratio, in which case he would be cleared. In the meantime, Landis is being tried in the court of public opinion.

“The notion that you are innocent until proven guilty might be a uniquely American ideal,” said Doriane Lambelet Coleman, a Duke University law professor. “It certainly is not the ideal in cycling.”

click for NYT src; requires registration, not really worth it unless you've already got a password,cuz I "fair use-d" the gist

I still have not yet been able to find any clarification on the claim by LAT & SJ Merc News that L'Equipe has allegedly claimed a source saying that the carb isotope spectrometry was already done on the "A" & detected synthetic test. Still nothing on the lequipe site, free articles at least. Has anybody else heard anything more about this? Aargh! Sports journalists never seem to ask the truly relevant questions or address the most pertinent issues. Drives me nuts.

92 posted on 07/30/2006 4:56:06 AM PDT by leilani
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More for the "This Sh*t Doesn't Make Any Sense" File: "French-fried conundrum Landis doping case not at all clear-cut" by Philip Hersh of Chicago Tribune discusses the stuff that doesn't add up, pub 07.31.06 click for chi trib Hersh column

Floyd's fellow cyclists are coming out to defend him, or at least to defend the process of fair play. Lance Armstrong implores Floyd to fight it vigorously as he did on ABC's This Week click for 2 min video scroll to "Armstrong's Advice for Landis

."I've lived that life. I know what it's like to be accused of things…my suggestion would be if you're innocent, if you believe you're innocent, then you stand up and fight for it. That's what I did for — have done for the better part of 10 years."

"I've said this and I've said that. At the end of the day, there's no proof. But you've got to fight back and you've got to answer the questions and you've got to be very specific and be very aggressive. And if that means talking to the press, if that means suing somebody, if that means writing about it, thinking about it, talking about it, you have to do it."

( Lance's quotes retrieved from an article in the National Ledger (AZ) in brief wrapup article today by Josh Hart)

. Elsewhere Dave Shields begs for folks to give Floyd the benefit of the doubt in the Daily Peloton pub'd 07.30.06 click here fore Dave as does Chris Hrenko in Vermont's Times Argus click for Chris H.

I've read in several places this am that the second "B" sample results should be out as early as today.(? He only asked for them Sat.?) If so, I don't think (&, as he has said, even Landis doesn't think) we can entertain the hope that the results will be any different than the "A", but perhaps we'll get some of the blanks filled in, like the ratio & the isotope test results. No matter what, it's going to be a long hard road ahead for Floyd Landis & his family. Months if not years. But, like Lance says, if you really didn't do the crime, you've got to fight it like it was the Alpe d'Huez all over again. Prayers for them all.

98 posted on 07/31/2006 5:23:37 AM PDT by leilani
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