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To: Vision
Well (& I think that's what we need this thread for) we need to find that out. We still haven't heard what the Sample "A" T/E ratio was. We still don't know if they found synthetic test (curtains for Floyd if they did.) But lots of people are saying an abnormal read ain't all that abnormal.Several things raise suspicions & real questions (1) They leaked results of the A sample which even former World Anti-doping Officials say is shockingly irresponsible b/c results of this particular test are not necessarily proof he doped at all, only a B sample to duplicate the result & subsequent endocrine profiles performed on Landis himself to rule out natural causes could confirm (2)The test performed by all accounts is not definitive, plenty of innocent causes for a high ratio: alcohol consumption, normal phys/biochem response to injury (his hip), the over the top emotions of what he'd just done, etc or a "perfect storm" combination of some of these things 3) He would have had no motive to do it because even a shot of synthetic Test couldn't have helped him, couldn't have produced his "Lazarus" performance in Stage 17 and every athelete outside the Special Olympics would know that. The rush to judgement we've seen from some sports journalists seems awfully premature at this point.So we really do need to track what the experts trained in endocrinology are saying & a heck of a lot of 'em are saying this morning "whoa, not so fast!"
15 posted on 07/28/2006 6:45:09 AM PDT by leilani
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Here's an article from FoxNews:

Experts: Possible Explanations for Landis' Testosterone Levels By Denise Mann Fox News.com Thursday, July 27, 2006

Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone, but experts tell WebMD that there could be many reasons why.

"This is huge news," says steroid law expert and former body builder Rick Collins of Carle Place, N.Y. But Collins is quick to add Landis is innocent until proven guilty.

"Don’t draw any conclusions yet and certainly if he didn't, in fact, consume testosterone, Landis should mount a very vigorous defense," says Collins, author of Legal Muscle.

For starters, the test looks at the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone and is highly likely to yield false-positive results........At one point in the three-week race, it seemed as though Landis was petering out. But "an injection of testosterone is not some sort of miracle, immediate boost like an amphetamine or stimulant," Collins says. "Athletes who use testosterone use it over a fairly long course and the benefit accumulates over a period of time."

Testosterone would not account for his comeback, Collins stresses. "A single shot of testosterone would provide little or no benefit."

John Eliot, PhD, a professor of human performance at Rice University in Houston, and the author of "Overachievement," agrees with Collins. "The likelihood [that he used illegal substances] seems small to me," ...snip... "His body, in an attempt to recover, will naturally release more testosterone as part of the recovery process," Eliot says. Also "who knows what he is taking for the pain and this too could interfere with the testing results."....snip.... Exactly when he tested positive is also somewhat suspicious, says Eliot. The test was done at stage 17, which coincides with one of the most intense parts of the race.

"The more heavily we exert ourselves, the more naturally our body releases testosterone," he says.

"Fans assume guilt until innocence is proven, but there are a lot of reasons to believe he could be innocent," he says.

Carlos R. Hamilton Jr., MD, professor of medicine and an endocrinologist at University of Texas Health Sciences Center in Houston, and a member of the health, medical, and research committee of the World Anti-Doping Agency, is also reserving his judgment.

"The fact that it is strictly a testosterone level does not mean it came from outside of the body, it could have been produced internally," he says. "It's a perfectly normal occurring hormone."

He says that there is a large variation in what they consider normal on this test and no one knows exactly how Landis scored. "Were his results within normal limits or just out of sight?" he asks.The bottom line is that the information was released too prematurely, he says. "Wait until we get the final answers. If he cheated, it will be recognized; if he did not, this does him a great disservice."[my emphasis]

click here for more

Now I really do have to go before I get in trouble!

16 posted on 07/28/2006 6:50:12 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
I think you about nailed it. I read he drank whiskey the night before.

What's shocking is how fast this all came out. If things are the way they seem to me, you can feel the hatred some have for those who attain excellence.
17 posted on 07/28/2006 6:51:43 AM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus")
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