If conservative darling Ann Counter doesn't agree with evolutionists, then it must be because Ann just hasn't thought through it. Yeah, that's the ticket. It's not possible that she evaluated evolutionist arguments and found them wanting, she must just not know what she's saying. She needs more education. No rational person could possibly dissagree with evolutionists. It's just unthinkable. (saaaaaaaaaaaaarcasm off)
Danny, the numbers you put up a few posts below contradict her thesis about liberalism being godless. According to the chart, 32% of liberals accept human evolution; 48% believe in creationism.
Liberalism makes me nuts, but it's not intellectually honest to equate it with godlessness.
"I believe that Christianity can still be believed, even if Evolution is true." ~ C. S. Lewis
"No science is ever frightening to Christians. Religious people don't need the science to come out any particular way on IQ or AIDS or sex differences any more than they need the science to come out any particular way on evolution...If evolution is true, then God created evolution." ~ Ann Coulter -- P.277 Godless
"The Earth was built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron. It has taken more devastating asteroid hits in its lifetime than you've had hot dinners, and lo, it still orbits merrily." ~ Rush Limbaugh
"Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant." ~ Kurt Wise
Towers Online - The News Service of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary April 13, 2006 By Jeff Robinson
Excerpts:
"Trustees at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on April 11 unanimously approved the creation of two new theological study centersthe Center for Theology and the Arts, and the Center for Theology and Law, during the board's annual spring meeting.
Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. said the new study centers aim at equipping pastors and church leaders to think biblically about pivotal issues which dominate contemporary culture.
"One of the ways we want to lead Southern Baptists is through helping evangelicals and Southern Baptists in particular to engage some of the most critical issues of our day," Mohler said.
"This is not a time for Christians to be out-thought by the world, but in general that is what happens. We find the church behind the times in thinking about some of the most crucial issues of our day."
Mohler also announced the appointment of two new faculty members to lead the centers. [snip] ...
...Mohler also named Kurt Wise as the new director for Southern's Center for Theology and Science, and professor of theology and science. Wise currently serves on the faculty of Bryan College in Dayton, Tenn., where he is also director of the Center for Origins Research. Wise earned both a doctor of philosophy and master of arts in paleontology from Harvard University. He and his wife Marie have two daughters.
Wise replaces William Dembski... "With the addition of Kurt Wise, we are recognizing that creation is a ground zero theological crisis point right now in American culture and even in our churches," Moore said. [snip] ..
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A couple of items I found on the web regarding Kurt Wise:
[1] 7/3/2003: "Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:
"I am a young-age creationist because the Bible indicates the universe is young. Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. .." ~ Kurt Wise
Post # 7:
"...there is new breed of YEC out there, of which Kurt Wise is an example, who recognize that there are scientific problems with their Weltanschauung. I knew Kurt was exceptional, but there are more of his stripe. Affectionately, I'd like to refer to them as neo-YECs, as opposed to the Wieland-Ham-Morris-Safarti-Jorge YECs for which I would propose the oxymoronic moniker paleo-YECs."
"It's not possible that she evaluated evolutionist arguments and found them wanting, she must just not know what she's saying."
Yes, it is possible *both* that she evaluated evolutionist arguments and found them wanting, *and* she needs more education on evolution as a science that would convince her. She's not a biologist, but a lawyer, so how is her polemic relevent to whether Darwin is actually good biology?
Coulter is describing Darwinism as a religion for the left.
IMHO, there is some truth to that; Darwinism has indeed become a shibboleth for the Liberals. They are driven by a disregard for Christianity to make it a litmus test in schools. ... but that doesnt mean (a) darwin's theory must be false (if liberals made racial tolerance a religion hould we all become racists?) and (b) conservatives can't or shouldn't claim Darwin as our own.
On the latter point, note that Socialists in the 19th century made a big deal of demonizing the Social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer ... and yet, look at Kennedy's "Rise and Fall of Great Powers" or look at Rothchild's "Bionomics". There are more sophisticated ways of looking at changes to economic systems, societies, etc. through the lens of 'natural selection.
I particularly recommend "Bionomics" as a different way of looking at economics, that very much explains how competition creates progress, in ways classical economics fails to do.
Someone noted on this thread that capitalism is darwinism applied to economics. In a sense he is right. The error of socialists is to assume that 'survival of the fittest' means the extinction (death) of those not fit. They'd like to pretend this means bad stuff for the bottom of the heap. No, not really: What becomes extinct are the inferior economic modes. The buggy whip makes doesnt starve to death; the company may go out of business, but the workers find new jobs, and capital moves out of low margin business to chase better returns. Little is wasted, as old factories get resold and refurbished. Our dynamic economy, where the average worker may have many employers, can provide security for all members of society even as job types/titles, companies, and ways of working change dramatically over time, ever improving due to the pressures of competition.