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Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.
The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

Posted on 07/23/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: A0ri
Why are you on a conservative board?

You've been here two months (under your present name) and I've been here over six years. You want me to justify my presence here to you? Sorry. When you get yourself appointed Grand Inquisitor, look me up.

281 posted on 07/23/2006 5:25:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"You've been here two months (under your present name)..."

And this is their first crevo thread too.

Hmmmmm.....
282 posted on 07/23/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I was humoring the attempt to stereotype Creationists as "dumb" -- when the statement is senseless namecalling.

However,

on my father's line, 2 lead nuclear engineers/physicists on the manhattan project (great and grand), and my father with NASA.

=D


283 posted on 07/23/2006 5:35:27 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: StJacques

I would very much favor a required course on "Critical Thinking" for high school students in which the entire debate was aired out fully, not as an entire course mind you, because training in logic and rhetoric, epistemology (Theories of Knowledge), and a brief overview of schools of philosophical thought should form the greater part of the course.

What debate? It's a religious debate. I'm with you on the 'critical thinking'....but what are they to be taught?.. that there is no debate in the scientific community, nor among the leadership of the majority of Christian religions. I do not think that 'critical thinking' per say is undertaught in American schools. I think the targets of this 'critical thinking' and the definition of 'critical thinking' are the issue.

training in logic and rhetoric, epistemology (Theories of Knowledge), and a brief overview of schools of philosophical thought should form the greater part of the course.

Won't happen in the Ipod age. IMHO, smart students can educate themselves provided they are not insulated from and discouraged from pursuing knowledge. Perhaps some others would benefit from a 'Critical Thinking' thinking class such as you describe, but I doubt it, and in the liberal USA of teachers, guess what they'll be 'critical' of. A more modest goal in my mind, and an achievable one, is to keep religious dogma out of science classes.

284 posted on 07/23/2006 5:36:23 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: PatrickHenry

Time directly relates to conservatism? Things are suddenly made clear.


285 posted on 07/23/2006 5:36:44 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: StJacques
the alternative is to give students no training in critical thinking at all

I'd say the alternative is to find a subject which will be interesting to students, but with regard to which you don't have an appreciable percentage of teachers who will have an ax to grind or an ox to gore. That shouldn't be hard. There are plenty of controversies within the history of science that would be highly engaging (upon resurrecting the richness of their forgotten details) but which won't evoke particularistic passions.

286 posted on 07/23/2006 5:39:39 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: A0ri
"I was humoring the attempt to stereotype Creationists as "dumb" -- when the statement is senseless namecalling."

Creationists weren't called *dumb*.

"on my father's line, 2 lead nuclear engineers/physicists on the manhattan project (great and grand), and my father with NASA."

And on my mother's side, there are 3 multiple Noble prize winners, seven university presidents, 8 billionaires, and a demigod.
287 posted on 07/23/2006 5:42:37 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Amazing how intelligence is used by evolutionists to prove correctness.

Sounds like another Liberal talking point.

Anyone recall Kerry vs. Bush? IQ and education? Anyone?


288 posted on 07/23/2006 5:44:15 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: Stultis
There are plenty of controversies within the history of science that would be highly engaging (upon resurrecting the richness of their forgotten details) but which won't evoke particularistic passions.

Right. They should teach about Galileo's difficulties over his solar system theory. That one should help the kiddies when they encounter the evolution issue.

289 posted on 07/23/2006 5:45:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: PatrickHenry; Restorer

there is nothing in evolution that would condemn it either.

BTW, hilter certainly had justifcation/rationalization of the German scientific community too.

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/deadlymedicine/profiles/


290 posted on 07/23/2006 5:45:54 PM PDT by flevit
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To: flevit
BTW, hilter certainly had justifcation/rationalization of the German scientific community too.

At least the religious ones like Heisenberg.

291 posted on 07/23/2006 5:47:15 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

Is he profiled in the link I gave?
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/deadlymedicine/profiles/


292 posted on 07/23/2006 5:53:11 PM PDT by flevit
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To: All
I would like to see a serious discussion of evolutionary theory that never once mentioned Hitler and his Nazis.

I guess this is too much to ask nowadays.

Evolution is about old bones, fossils, and DNA, and figuring out what they are all trying to tell us.

293 posted on 07/23/2006 5:55:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: flevit

That's a dead link for me.


294 posted on 07/23/2006 5:56:03 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Senator Bedfellow
"Was he okay? More importantly, did he sleep all night and work all day?"

yup.

And he cut down trees and ate his lunch.

I suspect he also went to the lavatory on occasion.

295 posted on 07/23/2006 5:57:00 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: flevit

I seem to have lost part of the internet. FR is working, though.


296 posted on 07/23/2006 5:57:35 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: A0ri
"Amazing how intelligence is used by evolutionists to prove correctness."

You didn't get it. Not surprised.
297 posted on 07/23/2006 5:57:47 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Really? Seems that evolutionists are questioning Creationist's intelligence on more than one occasion here at FR.


298 posted on 07/23/2006 6:05:20 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri

"Really? Seems that evolutionists are questioning Creationist's intelligence on more than one occasion here at FR."

I am sure it seems that way to you.

And you still don't get it.


299 posted on 07/23/2006 6:07:08 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
... and maybe I did, but failed to find or respond with humor in mind. Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
300 posted on 07/23/2006 6:07:28 PM PDT by A0ri
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