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Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.
The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

Posted on 07/23/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: CarolinaGuitarman

It could also be said that your statistics of people who called themselves Christians was blatantly laughable. Note how I said the "Churches" themselves did not support evolution?

Take note of the "Church" versus the individual, and the "support".


161 posted on 07/23/2006 2:14:14 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: stands2reason; lilylangtree
"I don't believe a word of it. I think llt made it up."

This is just an example of the twisting and shouting anti-evolutionists perform when spreading their propaganda.

I suspect that lilylangtree read about the putative ~35,000,000 single nucleotide differences between the chimp genome and our genome. For some reason she looks at each nucleotide as a separate reason to doubt that humans and chimps share a common ancestor. I guess she figures that humans and chimps did not diverge equally from the common ancestor nor that some of those differences would have been from multi-point mutations such as gene duplication. In any case she seems more than willing to accept numbers from questionable sources without thinking.

Chimp/Human ancestor DNA segment:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Current Chimp DNA same locus.
AAAAAGGGAAAAAAA (single 3 nucleotide mutation event)

Current Homo DNA at same locus.
AAAATAAACAAAAAA (two single nucleotide mutation events)

Creationist view: 5 reasons to doubt common ancestry.

Relationship view: (Useful when comparing multiple extant species) Variance of 3 mutations between species.

Common descent view: Humans vary from the common ancestor by 2 mutation events. Chimps vary from the common ancestor by 1 mutation event.

162 posted on 07/23/2006 2:14:16 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: cornelis
Science doesn't exclude teleology in general

The theory of evolution does however.

163 posted on 07/23/2006 2:14:45 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Losing a debate? I think flooding a poster, 6-1 is spreadin the poster's resources a bit thin. What do you think?


164 posted on 07/23/2006 2:15:21 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri

"It could also be said that your statistics of people who called themselves Christians was blatantly laughable."

That's par for the course for you. Don't like the facts? Ignore them. Not doing well in the debate? Move the goalposts.

"Note how I said the "Churches" themselves did not support evolution?"

I know, you provided no evidence for that claim.

"Take note of the "Church" versus the individual, and the "support"."

And the evasions, and the logical contortions, and the... :)


165 posted on 07/23/2006 2:16:08 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri
No, but funny how the numbers change when we bring it closer to our party, eh? More Conservatives siding with that view eh?

Conservatism has the Young Earth Christian whackjobs; Liberalism has the econuts, the feminists, and the gay activists. I think the majority of us can do without all of them.

You sure don't seem to put a lot of thought into your posts. You might just want to give that a try.

166 posted on 07/23/2006 2:17:09 PM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: A0ri
I think flooding a poster, 6-1 is spreadin the poster's resources a bit thin. What do you think?

I think it depends on the quality of your resources.

167 posted on 07/23/2006 2:17:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Great, so you yourself did the same that you accuse me of doing. Quit with the bs mind-games.


168 posted on 07/23/2006 2:17:32 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri
"Losing a debate?"

Yes, that would be you.

"I think flooding a poster, 6-1 is spreadin the poster's resources a bit thin. What do you think?"

I think you're whining because you know you've been bested.
169 posted on 07/23/2006 2:18:00 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri

"Great, so you yourself did the same that you accuse me of doing."

I did not. Making things up won;t help you.

Better quit while you're behind.


170 posted on 07/23/2006 2:19:16 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Mighty wide assumption for someone who can't read minds.


171 posted on 07/23/2006 2:19:32 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri
"Evolution's core argument is that life was created from raw natural process. This is against the Christian philosophy that life was generated from a Superior Being."

Here is the (somewhat) current Synthetic Theory of Evolution.

Care to point out where the core argument is that life emerged from raw natural processes?

172 posted on 07/23/2006 2:19:48 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: A0ri

How are you helping the philosophy of the argument, by this? *laughs*


173 posted on 07/23/2006 2:20:17 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri

"Mighty wide assumption for someone who can't read minds."

I can read your posts. You are whining.


174 posted on 07/23/2006 2:20:47 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri
"Thanks for clarification, although he does not explain the type of evolution is not explained."

Could you please restate this? I don't quite understand what you mean.

175 posted on 07/23/2006 2:22:00 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Really? Pissing on the third rail causes similar effect.


176 posted on 07/23/2006 2:22:17 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri

"Really? Pissing on the third rail causes similar effect."

If you want to liken your posts to pissing on the third rail, I won;t stop you.


177 posted on 07/23/2006 2:23:01 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri
"A more accurate statistic would be Protestant Christian pastors who support evolution, but not ID or Creationi.sm."

You are creating a false dichotomy by limiting the definition of Christian to those that do not accept evolution. The acceptance of Evolution is not restricted to atheists (or at least to non-Christians).

You can't put forward a convincing argument by redefining terms.

178 posted on 07/23/2006 2:31:29 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: b_sharp

For example, I myself am an ID'ist. I believe in Microevolution, but not in heavy Macro. I do not disagree with arguments that include or involve Christianity. I do disaree with the general philosophy of atheists to use it is a "proof" against Christianity -- as it is often used by my Socialist friends. I use Christianity to support Conservatism, wheras my Socialist friends use evolution to support flawed human "enjoyment" behavior.


179 posted on 07/23/2006 2:35:44 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri
"Losing a debate? I think flooding a poster, 6-1 is spreadin the poster's resources a bit thin. What do you think?"

Why do you think 6 pro-evo posters decided to take up your ideas?

180 posted on 07/23/2006 2:35:46 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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