When will it be time to expel Muslims

[Peisistratus]

"You provided an example of a chapter and verse from the Qur'an, like I had asked for? No."

Sura 9 doesn't command loyalty or acceptance of any non-Muslim government.

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day... (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Surah 9:29

[Peisistratus]

"As I've said before, if you only pay attention to the parts of the "Islamic World" where anti-Semitism is prevalent, then it's easy to say that the "Islamic World" is primarily anti-Semitic"

That's pretty much all of it.

"Of course, the "Islamic World" is big and the truth lies somewhere in between."

Not really, no.

[zimdog]

Considering you spend most of your time on this forum defending Islam against anyone who question it, I think the concept of you being a Muslim yourself can readily be inferred from the available evidence.

1) I wasn't talking to you.

2) I spend most of my time on this forum challenging people who are smug in their bigotry to the point that it becomes more important than human decency and patriotism. You clearly have been looking though my posting history. You should "readily infer" from that is that I'm against bigots and for America.

3) Generally, I my religion is a private affair, but since "the available" evidence includes references to my Christian faith, I'm wondering why you chose to ignore that.

[Peisistratus]

"2) I spend most of my time on this forum challenging people who are smug in their bigotry to the point that it becomes more important than human decency and patriotism. You clearly have been looking though my posting history. You should "readily infer" from that is that I'm against bigots and for America."

You stand and defend those who would destroy her. I see Islam for what it is - by what it shows the world. You choose the multicultural path...

"Generally, I my religion is a private affair, but since "the available" evidence includes references to my Christian faith, I'm wondering why you chose to ignore that."

Many taqiyya artists claim to be Christian. Usually Roman Catholic.

[Peisistratus]

"1) I wasn't talking to you."

Oh, and I don't recall talking to you EVER before you went after me in this thread.

[zimdog]

Congratulations! It only took you a week to answer a simple question, sort of. Differences aside between a verse that "forbids" loyalty to a non-Muslim government (what I was looking for) and one that "doesn't command" it (your reading of 9:29), you chose the only chapter of the Qur'an that isn't "forward looking" -- to use your terms. It is not recited "in the Name of God, the most-Merciful, the all-Merciful" like all the other chapters and it refers specifically to the conflict with the Byzantine Empire and its allies (but not the non-Muslims allied with the Muslims, as the opening line makes clear) that culminated in the Battle of Tabuk.

[zimdog]

Many taqiyya artists claim to be Christian.

Given that and your selective, murderously literalist, and ahistorical reading of the Qur'an, there is absolutely no reason for any of us to believe that you are not an al-Qa'ida operative.

[zimdog]

And by the way, I was referring to the 1938 and 1939Time "Men of the Year".

[Valin]

Your link doesn't work. Please try again, thanks

Early Medieval Spain: Unity in Diversity, 400-1000 (New Studies in Medieval History) (Paperback)
by Roger Collins
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031212662X/ref=ase_favoritespanishr/102-4790376-7159325?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=favoritespanishr


Medieval Iberia: Readings from Christian, Muslim, and Jewish Sources (The Middle Ages Series) (Paperback)
by Olivia Remie Constable (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812215699/ref=ase_favoritespanishr/102-4790376-7159325?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=favoritespanishr

Card catalog description
For nearly eight centuries, the Iberian Peninsula was remarkable for its political, religious, cultural, linguistic, and ethnic diversity. In Medieval Iberia Olivia Remie Constable brings together nearly one hundred original sources that testify to the peninsula's rich and sometimes volatile mix of Christians, Muslims, and Jews. The documents collected here date mostly from the eighth through the fifteenth centuries and have been translated from Latin, Arabic, Hebrew, Judeo-Arabic, Castilian, Catalan, and Portuguese by many of the most eminent scholars in the field of Iberian studies. The selections include chronicle materials, poetry, and legal and religious sources, and each is accompanied by a brief introduction placing the text in its historical and cultural setting. Arranged chronologically, the documents are also keyed so as to be accessible to readers interested in specific topics such as urban life, the politics of the royal courts, interfaith relations, or women, marriage, and the family.

Early Middle Ages
(24 lectures, 30 minutes/lecture)
Course No. 8267

Taught by Philip Daileader
The College of William and Mary
Ph.D., Harvard University
http://www.teach12.com/ttc/Assets/courseDescriptions/8267.asp?pc=SiteIndex

[Valin]

I'm sorry. I promise not to do it again.
I LOVE history, now I know a lot of people say that but I actually read the stuff, particualrly early medieval european history.

[zimdog]

Yeah, history is great isn't it? I like Medieval European (and African and Asian) history, in part because it shows how complicated the world has been for so long.

History is a great subject that requires a lot of broad reading and thinking. It's been said that truly great histories are only written by grandparents -- Lots of time is needed to learn and reflect. Would that others take that advice.

[zimdog]

Are you saying you want to bomb me?

[Vision]

[zimdog]

Are you threating me with bad Photoshopping?

[Vision]

[zimdog]

Yes, I've been seeing these posts for quite a while. You didn't think them up and you didn't make them.

As someone else recently said: you post it once, you're a wit. you post it twice, you're a half-wit. Continue the arithmatic progression...

[Vision]

[Vision]

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998

[Vision]

Your death cult produces homicidal cowards and should be banned in all civilized countries if not wiped off the face of the Earth. You are mentally ill.

This past Friday, 30-year-old Naveed Afsal Haq, a supposedly lone and “mentally ill” Muslim-American of Pakistani origin, took a 13-year-old girl hostage in order to gain entry to the Jewish Federation Building in Seattle. Declaring himself “angry with Israel,” Haq announced that it was a “hostage” situation, and began shooting only women, including a pregnant woman. Five women were wounded and one, 58 year-old Pam Waechter, was murdered. Several other women were shot in the abdomen.

[PsyOp]

Muslims who live here or who wish to live here should be made to make loyalty oaths, in writing and then sign their names. They should be required to renounce efforts to institute sharia law in the US, and the idea of an "Islamic" US, which CAIR and other groups espouse.

Giving money to a terrorist group should be grounds for immediate expulsion. Any Imam caught preaching Jihad should be expelled, forever. Any mosque that allows Jihad should be shut down. Mosques should be under 24/7 scrutiny by homeland security.

Likewise, demostrating for the destruction of Isreal should be grounds for expulsion or deportation.

Our laws for treason and sedition need to strengthened and rigorously enforced.