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To: Spktyr; Jameison
Historically, Microsoft has done very well when they can leverage their monopoly in the desktop operating system arena. When they move outside of that, they run into problems for two reasons. First, they tend to act like they're a monopoly in the new arena, and try to use monopoly tactics where they won't be effective. For example, if you go to MSNBC or MSN with an Apple computer, or a PC using Firefox, and try to play a video, you get a message that you must install IE7 and Windows Media Player 10. That might be effective if there was no place else to go for streaming video except MSNBC, but it doesn't work in a wide open internet. Second, everybody's seen the shattered companies Microsoft destroyed, and they don't want it happening in their industry.

Gates and Microsoft also have a history of working cooperatively with "partners", then knee-capping them when they're ready to make their move. I don't think they do it as much anymore, but I read complaints from both Lotus and Wordperfect that when they were trying to develop early Windows versions of 1-2-3 and Wordperfect, that MS would give them information about how to make calls to printer programs, screen rewrites, etc., then change the underlying code six months later. They claimed MS knew they were going to make the changes, and already had the new coding in their Office applications, but waited until they'd actually put the changes on the market to notify other software manufacturers, especially those making products that competed with MS. This made competing products look buggy.

Gates made a brilliant move in getting MS-DOS on all PCs, and cutting IBM out of software. He then leveraged that to make MS the dominant software manufacturer. However, MS has never been an innovative company. They've watched for markets to emerge, then used their size and deep pockets to operate at a loss until they ran the competitors out of business. After they dominate a market, all innovation ceases (Note Internet Explorer).

In the office arena, you could buy Office for $99 when Lotus and WP were still viable threats, and MS included free copies of Word with Windows for quite a while. As soon as they'd crushed the competition, Office went to $499 for a new retail version.

Although they're still successful, Microsoft is starting to collapse under it's own weight. They abandoned Longhorn because completely rewriting the OS turned into a quagmire. Now, Vista is XP+, with belated attempts to add OSX features.

They're attempting to address this, and the video "If Microsoft marketed the iPod", created by a MS team, was a cautionary tale to the developers. The announcement that MS was entering the player market shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who saw this video. MS doesn't do stuff for grins; it was a clever analysis of competing styles in a market they were looking to enter. MS wants to dominate home media, and they're seeing Apple make big strides in that area. They're not particularly worried about the music market, as much as they are the video and movie market. They want to be the proprietary system controlling all the tv tuners and movie services in the country, and they DON'T want an open system. They want everything to be WMV or whatever proprietary format they come up with, and they want you to get a screen that says, "You MUST buy several hundred dollars worth of Microsoft products to play this video" to come up if you try to access content with any other system.

That's their goal. Their problem is that Hollywood trusts Jobs (as CEO of Pixar, he's one of them) and they don't trust Microsoft.

65 posted on 07/22/2006 9:58:13 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
"For example, if you go to MSNBC or MSN with an Apple computer, or a PC using Firefox, and try to play a video, you get a message that you must install IE7 and Windows Media Player 10."

I play videos on Msnbc all the time, and I use Windows 2000 and WMP 9, on my desktop computer, and I still don't have IE7 on that computer.
I have had no problems whatsoever.

And doesn't Firefox have everything defaulting to Google?
Why are you not complaining about that one?
70 posted on 07/22/2006 10:04:55 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Richard Kimball
"Historically, Microsoft has done very well when they can leverage their monopoly in the desktop operating system arena. "

Like when Microsoft "leverage their monopoly in the desktop operating system" to beat Nintendo with their very first video game console for example?
And with the superb XBOX live?
Let me know when you get back to reality will ya?
71 posted on 07/22/2006 10:08:20 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Richard Kimball

If Bill Gates and Microsoft have their way...... Microsoft=SkyNet
Pull the plug while we can. Not many industries in a free market are allowed
such monopolies. What is the percentage of market share???? 90 plus percent.
This is only good for Microsoft and not the people. PC's with a Microsoft OS are nothing but a honey pot for a plethera of dangerous viruses, spyware, adware, worms, trojans, etc, etc. coming from the cesspool that is called the Internet.


73 posted on 07/22/2006 10:11:39 AM PDT by Lonestar_50
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To: Richard Kimball
"but I read complaints from both Lotus and Wordperfect that when they were trying to develop early Windows versions of 1-2-3"

You might check your history again on that one.
I know for certain that Jim Manzi, then CEO of Lotus, which was a much bigger software company than Microsoft in those days, REFUSED for a long time, to develop Lotus 123 for the fledgling Windows Operating system.
Why? Because Manzi did not want Microsoft Windows to succeed, and end up letting Microsoft overtake Lotus in sales.
At the tame , Lotus 123 was one of the killer apps for PC's.

But hey, keep your re-write of history coming.
75 posted on 07/22/2006 10:16:10 AM PDT by Jameison
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