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Tour de France: Stage 17 Live Thread (Thursday, July 20, 2006) Col de Joux-Plane
VeloNews.com ^ | July 20, 2006 | VeloNews.com

Posted on 07/19/2006 9:15:41 PM PDT by nutmeg

Stage 17: St. Jean de Maurienne to Morzine-Avoriaz -200.5km

Course: This is almost identical to the stage in 2000 when Marco Pantani attacked on the first climb (the 15km, 6.4-percent Saisies) and forced Armstrong's U.S. Postal squad to chase for 100km over the Aravis, Colombière and Châtillon climbs to the foot of the day's main obstacle: the mighty Col de Joux-Plane (11.7km at 8.7 percent). It was partway up the Joux-Plane that Armstrong bonked and could only watch as Ullrich and others rode away from him, and he conceded almost two minutes by the finish in Morzine.

History: Morzine has seen 13 finishes of the Tour, including that one six years ago, which was the last time the ultra-steep Joux-Plane was climbed in the Tour. The only Tour winner to win a stage into Morzine was Pantani, who scored a solo victory here in 1997, the year before he won the Tour. Morzine's mountaintop neighbor, Avoriaz, has seen stage wins by two other Tour champions, Lucien Van Impe and Bernard Hinault.

Favorites: If riders are still battling for podium spots, then the Joux-Plane climb and descent suits Leipheimer and Landis. But it's more likely that a long-distance break will succeed, giving a rider like Michael Rasmussen a chance to win the stage and the King of the Mountains competition.

Graphics by CyclingNews.com


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: cycling; greenmachine; miracle; tdf; tdfstagethread; tourdefrance
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To: kevkrom

Probably not even that much.

He is already now only two minutes behind Kloden.


41 posted on 07/20/2006 5:09:23 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit
Probably not even that much. He is already now only two minutes behind Kloden.

Well, the 3' 45" gap is certainly helping. :)

42 posted on 07/20/2006 5:13:06 AM PDT by kevkrom (Posting snarky comments so you don't have to)
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To: Eurotwit

A couple of observations.

(1) Phonak was not built to win the Tour, despite having a leader with the potential. The perfect team for Floyd would be himself and eight Axels. Unfortunately, he only has one. The team actually consists of Floyd, Axel, and seven stiffs. The other 7 Phonak guys have been completely invisible for the entire Tour.

(2) Floyd cannot simply make up time on Pereiro. It is very easy to lose time in le Tour but it is tough to gain it. Floyd has to gain on the maillot jaune AND all of the other riders ahead of him.


43 posted on 07/20/2006 5:16:37 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: Eurotwit
THis is very reminiscente of Marco Panini's breakaway. The key for floyd now is can he keep the gap at 3 min all the way to Colde Joux-Plane, and then how much will he have left for that final climb.

No matter what, you have to admire his guts for trying this, he is showing everyone that he does not know the meaning of the word quit.

44 posted on 07/20/2006 5:16:56 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: BaBaStooey
(2) Floyd cannot simply make up time on Pereiro. It is very easy to lose time in le Tour but it is tough to gain it. Floyd has to gain on the maillot jaune AND all of the other riders ahead of him.

Right now, that's exactly what he's doing. All of the other leaders are sitting about 3 and a half minutes back of Landis.

45 posted on 07/20/2006 5:18:39 AM PDT by kevkrom (Posting snarky comments so you don't have to)
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To: kevkrom

Wow, the asphalt seems slippery. Landis going hard on the downhill.


46 posted on 07/20/2006 5:18:48 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

Only 1'45" behind the breakawy now... it'd probably be better to pass them on a climb than a descent, I would imagine.


47 posted on 07/20/2006 5:19:57 AM PDT by kevkrom (Posting snarky comments so you don't have to)
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To: BaBaStooey

Well it sure is an interesting start to the todays stage.

It even looks like Landis gained some time on the descent :-)


48 posted on 07/20/2006 5:22:32 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: kevkrom
I am not so sure Floyd is even worrying about the breakaway group. I think he is just busting his ass today no matter what happens.

But, if he cuts into them bigtime, he will probably make the catch/pass on Col de Aravis.

But, something tells me even if he does, that he will not wait for them. This almost has the feel of a TT for Floyd right now.

49 posted on 07/20/2006 5:23:40 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish

Reports now that Landis is only 50 seconds behind the leaders.


50 posted on 07/20/2006 5:25:07 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: commish

THe Yellow Jersey Group is getting serious -- they have upped the pass furiously. Now 2:55 back of Floyd.


51 posted on 07/20/2006 5:25:36 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: Eurotwit

And Floyd 4 minutes ahead of Sastre and Co. :-)


52 posted on 07/20/2006 5:25:44 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: commish

hmm?

Norwegian TV reporting the opposite.


53 posted on 07/20/2006 5:26:15 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

Yep.. Le tour had it wrong. They posted 2:55 and now have changed it to 3:55.


54 posted on 07/20/2006 5:26:59 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: Eurotwit

Landis cathing the leaders now :-)


55 posted on 07/20/2006 5:26:59 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

catching.


56 posted on 07/20/2006 5:27:28 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: commish

5 minutes 30 sekunds now :-)


57 posted on 07/20/2006 5:28:08 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit
"Virtual GC:"

Pos. N° Name Surname Team Nat. Gaps
1 097 PEREIRO SIO Oscar CEI ESP
2 014 SASTRE Carlos CSC ESP 01' 50"
3 021 KLÖDEN Andréas TMO GER 02' 29"
4 035 DESSEL Cyril A2R FRA 02' 43"
5 061 EVANS Cadel DVL AUS 02' 56"
6 071 LANDIS Floyd PHO USA 04' 13"
7 026 ROGERS Michael TMO AUS 06' 47"
8 041 LEIPHEIMER Levi GST USA 07' 46"
9 129 ZUBELDIA Haimar EUS ESP 08' 06"

These two aren't in the yellow jersey's group:
051 MENCHOV Denis RAB RUS 03' 58"
031 MOREAU Christophe A2R FRA 07' 03"
58 posted on 07/20/2006 5:28:13 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: Vision

Vision, what did he say happened? If he didn't truly bonk out there yesterday, that was one heck of an impression of a guy running on empty.


59 posted on 07/20/2006 5:29:28 AM PDT by leilani (Je vais y réfléchir demain. Après tout, demain est un autre jour !- Autant en emporte le vent)
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To: BaBaStooey

Wow. Floyd now has 5:30 on the Yellow Jersey. There is no way this can hold. Is there?


60 posted on 07/20/2006 5:29:32 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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