Banned sign riles heritage group

The State ^ | Jul. 16, 2006 | SAMMY FRETWELL

[dbehsman]

This guy is just a liberal troll looking for a fight.

[ShadowDancer]

Well, we'll have surprise on our side this time!

Food and munitions?

[usmcobra]

“Victory is Great, but Honor is Greater. Defend your                heritage.”

What if we put in say a different word instead of "southern" and removed the flag?

How about.....

German?

Or Japanese?

Or Nazi?

Or Bushido?

Or Communist?

Or Klan?

Or even Democrat?

See how that works? You could make the case that anyone of the above would fit perfectly in place of Southern and convey the same exact message.

Victory is great but getting your butt beaten down every time you open your pie holes about how losing is somehow more honorable then victory because you lost so well is just plain stupid.

I'm sure that sort of message really appealed to a lot of Nascar fans

Yep, Olde Dicky Spude sure ran one hell of a race and would have won it too iffen he hadn't blown all four tires on the first lap and flipped his car about a zillion times in the infield and got in a fight with the paramedics, but he ran a honorable race.

Southern heritage is based upon the assumption that Democrats were right to rebel against the government because they could not change it to meet their expectations of it.

Or put another way, in simpler terms even all but the dumbest Southerners could understand,

if you can't change the government, leave the country.

Or in even simpler terms a child would understand....

Don't like the rules of the game, take your ball and go home.

Of course if you are going to lose and lose badly because your cause is WRONG, remember to do it with honor, so you can celebrate how well you lost for the next 140 years.

[smug]

if you can't change the government, leave the country.

We did---Then they started acting like violent stalkers.

[usmcobra]

The trick of course to any successful rebellion is to make the country you are rebelling against want to let you go in the first place.

Can you honestly say that the south would have been better off with country devoted to slavery under the democrats?

[TexConfederate1861]

Memo to Yankee:

It isn't over till WE say it's over.
And....we aren't forgetting OR forgiving.

[smug]

Slavery would have went away on it's own, just like it did up north. Atlanta would not be a yankee occupied city. And we would not be subject to commie/socialist influences of the yankee New England states. I prefer the Democrats of the 1860's--minus slavery, to what they have morfed into today.

[BaBaStooey]

Not accepting orders from Robert E. Lee?

[smug]

Lee's final words of wisdom came shortly before his death in 1870. Under the yoke of Reconstruction and its military dictatorship, Lee was invited by the commanding Union general to arrange a meeting with a number of leading ex-Confederates. The general asked Lee to make a statement, supposedly to indicate how happy he was to be back in the Union with the stars and stripes. Lee said no. He had seen what defeat had brought and the ugliness of Northern occupation. He did, however, set up a meeting for many ex-Confederates to have a say. The last to leave the meeting was the former Confederate governor of Texas, Fletcher Stockdale. Lee took him aside and said, "Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people [Yankees] designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand."

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[Smokin' Joe]

Those who worship the Confederate battle flag are worshipping the flag of a bunch of whiny damned LOSERS.

You really have gone too far, calling men who pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for a cause they believed in, and who lost, "whiny damned losers".

Any further comment to express my outrage at your derision would have me permanently banned from this board.

It is not a question of worshipping the Confederate battle flag, any more than the stars and stripes, but the heritage it represents, and right now the latter seems to be suffused with more whiny damned losers than any other on the planet, with the possible exception of the French. Why else would they have sought to have the billboard removed?

[Leatherneck_MT]

lol

you're nothing but a troll

go crawl back under your bridge.

[JamesP81]

Not only the Thw War Of Southern Aggression over... it was friggen' *lost,* and lost badly.

You might want to reread your history there. Union casualties were easily double southern casualties because, frankly, northerners didn't have very much fight in them. You know you're people are naturally warrior inclined when a single army's worth of them can hold off another whole country for four years, and a lot of these soldiers didn't have basic equipment like shoes, you know.

So yeah, the north won. They did it by throwing man after man in front of southern guns until the south ran out of bullets. If you want to call that military genius be my guest, I'm just glad the men we have in charge of the military these days are a bit smarter than that.

[JamesP81]

The "sons of the confederacy" need to wake up and smell the coffee that the stars and bars has been used by more than a few dispicable groups and people.

So has the Cross. Guess we'd better take that off all the churches in town too.

[usmcobra]

Slavery would have went away on it's own, just like it did up north.

You do realize that it took an amendment to the Constitution before that happened, it didn't just fade away?

Or that had it remained legal eventually it would have required an amendment anyway to end slavery. The whole idea that Slavery would have ended on it's own any way, negates the very reasons for the democrat's rebellion against The United States, by your logic there was no reason to rebel in the first place.

Yeah I know "states rights", states rights to what? maintain slavery as an institution? Let me make this real simple for everyone that thinks this wasn't about slavery.

Show me one southern state in 1860 that wasrun by Republicans and seceded from the United States for the purposes of abolishing slavery as it existed in the Constitution, show me just one, that's all I ask and if you can, I'll admit defeat honorable.

[JamesP81]

I don't have a problem with SCVs sign, but it was on private property. I don't have to provide a forum with my personal property for anyone who wants it and neither does anyone else. If the government had been the one that decided the sign was inappropriate it would be different, IMO.

[RebelBanker]

No offense, Tigercap!

Most Southerners use the term "damnyankees" to refer to the ones who come South with their snotty attitudes and want to tell the locals how much better it was "up north" and how to run everything.

[JamesP81]

You're wasting your time Godebert, he agitates on more threads than just these. It's best to not feed the trolls; they eventually get bored and go away.

[JamesP81]

Food and munitions?

Actually, there's a bit of truth to that. The southern army, even so poorly equipped, ended up causing something like double the casualties it received. I don't think anyone would've wanted to fight them if they'd actually had sufficient weapons and supplies for an army.

[JamesP81]

Yeah I know "states rights", states rights to what? maintain slavery as an institution?

Actually it had as much or more to do with tariffs and unfair trade practices, but the revisionist historians won't tell you that.

[righthand man]