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"So you are starting off by saying our plan can't really catch all of them, "
Imam saying exactly what I have said 20 times already:
Its not a zero or 12 million option.
We have to try and deport every single one of the suckers, irrespective of if we will catch every single one of them or not.
The point being, the government is not really trying at all.

"but we will make them all felons so we can add another 20 million to the rolls, making catching the murderers even tougher"

Straw man's argument again.
Any police force will tell you that they put far more resources on murderers than on shop lifters or burglaries.
Put enough resources on illegals, who who have already broken the law by being here, and we'll get most of the suckers back where they came from.
You really don't have anything to say apart from the same discredited nonsense do you?
You keep spewing out the same old meaningless crap over and over again.
Sigh.

"But then the 20 million or 0 option is not in the Senate plan either"

It is.
The Senate starts off by assuming(wrongly) that it will be impossible to deport 12 million, so therefore we'd better just grant amnesty.
Now that's nonsense.
That's where the straw man's argument is.

"Since at least 25 to 50 % would not meet the requirements, the Senate plan culls it down so that we can concentrate on those we truly want out of here. ."

Exactly how are you going to determine those 25-50% again, since the Senate also prohibits federal officials from thoroughly investigating any fake documents presented by these illegal suckers.
'Back in 1986, the amnesty bill led to the greatest productions of fake documents in US history until that time
Ed Meese who was AG at the time has given several interviews on that.
Today the fake documents business is far more advanced than in 1986.

"Yours adds 10 15 million productive workers and families"

It's not "mine".
Get this into your thick head: It's THE LAW.
They broke our immigration laws, they pay the penalties as prescribed by the law TODAY, which is DEPORTATION.
Unfortunately for you the Senate Shamnesty Bill is still NOT the law today.
This is a country of laws. Get it?

Straw man's argument again.

So as I understand it, anything that you disagree with is a straw man argument. That's typical.

Put enough resources on illegals, who who have already broken the law by being here, and we'll get most of the suckers back where they came from.

So what is your estimate of what it will take to find and deport 20 million assimilated illegals? You don't accept my straw man argument that it will take away from other more important law enforcement duties, so how many and where do they come from. More important, how will you fund it?

Today the fake documents business is far more advanced than in 1986.

Exactly. Outside of some kind of bi-partisan bill, how do you intend to combat that?

Get this into your thick head: It's THE LAW.

If you can't debate rationally sans the insults when your point wilts like a late summer rose, stick it where the sun don't shine!