As I have patiently explained to you before, the study performed by Bear Sterns, which is to the best of my knowledge the most comprehensive study of illegals and can be easily read, estimates a minimum of 20 million. I will go with that unless you have something better.
We don't have to. It's the normal straw man's argument. It's not a matter of rounding up 12/20 million or not rounding up anyone at all. You guys keep coming up with that nonsense. Look we never catch everyone who commits murder or robbery in this country. That doesn't mean we have just stopped trying to arrest them because we can't catch all of them, does it?
I suppose any argument against your proposal is a straw man. Anyway, part of your plan is to turn 5% of the Country into felons. That means a little more than you have thought out. It means we are able to concentrate on those who truly are posing a danger. To those on your side of the issue, they're all the same.
Police state? When did arresting people who shouldn't be in a country at all, and who have broken our laws, constitute that country becoming a "police state"? Where do you Mexicans keep coming up with this nonsense anyways? Why don't you tell that to the Mexican government that continues to terrorize illegal Guatemalan immigrants to Mexico?
I'm a Mexican? How on earth did you find out? Actually there are 3 or 4 whites left in the Country with some common sense about this issue. And yes, declaring 20 million illegals felons would require a police state, especially when the only way it will ever be successful is to mobilize the Reserves and National Guard. The 100k police in the Country won't really have too much success here.
Huh? Vietnam eh? /sarc on You mean like how Iraq is another Vietnam? /sarc off
Quit acting like a fool. Do you understand the concept of body count? No, I guess not. Ok, look in a history book. This will wind up a "body count" game, which leads into the low hanging fruit.
Listen, right now a greater percentage of criminal illegal immigrant drug runners, gang members etc, are being deported than illegal immigrants in general. When the right enforcement regime is instituted (harsh crackdown on employers of illegals, tough deportation regime, secure borders etc), all illegals are going to be affected, drug dealers or not.
Right, which takes us back to the police state concept. That's the only way you will meaningfully find and deport 5% of the Country.
These illegals are not exactly "underground" are they, when they keep demonstrating in full view of the public, and have the temerity to carry American flags upside down to boot.
So you simply stop all demonstrators and demand their citizenship papers? Ever heard of the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments?
We'd chase the priest off if he pulled such a stupid stunt. You seem to be forgetting that most church goers in this country are Evangelical Christians who are strongly conservative, and strongly FOR enforcement of our immigration laws. The Republican Party gets most of the Evangelical Christian vote. Best luck to you finding churches to hold your 20 million illegals.
Many churches have already spoken out on this. And yes, they will help to provide food, medicine, shelter and other assistance to the illegals. Been reading the papers lately? Yes, I keep hearing about the fundies supporting the Republican Party. Not worried, they have no place else to go. But yes, I'm also aware of the reality of why the House won't create a win-win situation out of immigration, and instead worries about Terri Schiavo, flag and marriage amendments, sense of the Congress statements, etc., instead of doing their jobs.
Nope. We have been deporting illegals everyday without going through any court systems. All they have to do is stop that moronic catch and release policy they have been allowing to happen, which the President claims he is stoppingin his speech the other time.
Again, the change in status to felony will be challenged in court, and significantly complicate finding and deporting them. This is basically forcing them further underground.
Every week, another city, town, state, county enacts new, tougher anti-illegal immigrant laws. One police chief was on TV Friday, who is busy arresting every illegal immigrant he could get hold of, and sending them all the way to th Mexican border, because the INS people have not been doing their job.
First, this is an unfunded mandate. Catching a couple of illegals is cute. Going after 20 million is an abortion, and few police chiefs will carry the feds water for them. And more and more communities, not just the one or two I have read about will become safe havens. Many have already said so. Many will open their churches, their schools, their medical facilities, and laugh at the part of 4437 that charges people for aiding illegals. What do we want to do, create 50 million felons?
The illegal invaders of this country are going to have to be sent home or made to go home, one way or another, and the border secured.
Well, not sure how, because you are not going to get either authorization or funding if you won't compromise.