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To: Jameison
Sixty percent of Americans favor imposing fines of tens of thousands of dollars on employers who hire illegal immigrants. Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006

Does not dispute the polls I provided. Most Americans do want increased border security and strong employer enforcement along with a guest worker program and/or a path to citizenship.

Eighty-one percent of Americans polled support strict criminal penalties on employers who, after repeatedly being cited, persist in knowingly hiring illegal aliens. Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006

Does not conflict with the polling data I gave you.

Eighty-four percent of Americans believe the most effective way to reduce illegal immigration is to cut off the employment incentive for coming here by instituting tough penalties for businesses that hire illegal immigrants. More than half think this would be "very effective," and another 32% say it would be "somewhat effective." The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I gave you, though April is a bit early. Most Americans still want the flow of illegals stopped.

Fifty-nine percent of black California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens. The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided you.

Sixty percent of California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens. The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided you. Most Americans want tough enforcement.

Seventy-three percent of Americans favor imposing fines and criminal charges against employers who hire illegals. Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided.

More than ninety percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed believe illegal immigration is a problem. Seventy percent rank it as a "very serious" or "serious" problem. National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided you. Most Americans believe it is a very serious or serious problem, which has been my point. The Republicans control both houses of Congress and yet the issue sits on the table.

Eighty-six percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed say illegal immigration should have a "very high" or "high" priority for Congress and the Bush administration. National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

This completely supports my position, and yet, there it lays on the table.

Sixty-three percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants if they only need to prove that they have been living in the U.S. for at least three years. National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Most Americans support some type of program to give certain illegals a path to citizenship if they meet certain requirements and pay penalties, so that does not conflict.

Increasing penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens was supported by seventy-eight percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed. National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided. Americans want tougher enforcement.

Seventy-one percent support major penalties for employers who hire illegals. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided. Most Americans want tougher enforcement.

Seventy-six percent of Americans polled are concerned that American workers can't afford to work for the same low wages as illegal aliens. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006

Then raise the minimum wage and implement tougher enforcement. Most are working for minimum wage or slightly higher. Few Americans will work for even 10 or 12 dollar an hour as the contractors in New Orleans found out.

Sixty-three percent of Americans polled are concerned about illegal aliens taking away jobs from American workers. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006

You know, using data that tends to support your position while ignoring data that refutes your position is patently dishonest. I went to the poll you cite, and yes, 63% are concerned, but you seemed to ignore the rest of the poll which found that 56% believe illegals are taking jobs Americans don't want; that 73% approve of a guest worker program; that 64% approve of temporary visas; that 76% favor allowing illegals to stay in the US provided they do certain things? Did you mean to overlook those findings from the same poll?

Seventy-four percent of Americans polled favor providing major penalties for employers convicted of hiring illegal aliens and strongly enforcing it. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I gave you. Most Americans want tougher enforcement.

Eighty percent on Arizona voters favor penalizing businesses that hire illegal aliens. KAET-TV and Arizona State University's Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication poll, January 19-22, 2006

Does not conflict with the data I provided. Most Americans want tougher enforcement.

All in all, not one poll you showed here conflicts with anything I said or presented to you. To summarize:

I hope that helps you organize your position a bit more.

42 posted on 07/15/2006 11:45:49 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
" along with a guest worker program and/or a path to citizenship"

Americans don't want "path to citizenship' for illegal invaders of our country.
That is why our House members who voted for enforcement only, and no amnesty, have received very strong support their constituents.
Remember the House is far more representative of the American people, and more in tune with what Americans want, than the Senate, and every House member is up for re-election in November.
There will be no guest worker/amnesty program. Period.
44 posted on 07/15/2006 11:56:05 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: MACVSOG68
"Most Americans support some type of program to give certain illegals a path to citizenship if they meet certain requirements and pay penalties, so that does not conflict."

Nope.
And that poll you put that under says:

"Sixty-three percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants if they only need to prove that they have been living in the U.S. for at least three years. National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006"

Nothing about amnesty for anyone.



"Then raise the minimum wage and implement tougher enforcement. Most are working for minimum wage or slightly higher. ."

There you go again.
Illegal alien pay has got nothing to do with minimum wage.
Its precisely to avoid paying even the minimum wage that dishonest employers keep employing illegals so they can pay them below the minimum wage, without worrying about penalties.


"Few Americans will work for even 10 or 12 dollar an hour as the contractors in New Orleans found out"

Huh?
That is utter rubbish.
Is your name John McCain?
There are MILLIONS of Americans that work for 10 or 12 dollars an hour.
46 posted on 07/15/2006 12:07:39 PM PDT by Jameison
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