Of course I'll "shake" (my dog shakes her body, though, when I tell her that - baths). VERY LONG mail to you.
Sometimes I think the writing-kind of discussion just is too hard to handle! At least for me, who is a "pit bull" on minutia as well as generalities, and doesn't effectively communicate concisely.
We'd probably all understand each other better in "real life"! (And the discussion would end faster!)
We probably would enjoy a cup of coffee and talk about race horses and old cars!
susie