There is a BIG difference. Shelley's just about half way in between. My only real criticism of Tori (she is a splendid dog and one of the best hunt test dogs I've ever seen. I have seen her NO-whistle a 250 yard blind) is that she's lost the typical "otter tail" of the Lab, which I think is an endearing and totally necessary attribute. She has a long, almost hound-like "whip tail" which you really can't see in the picture.