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Soccer fans: ESPN World Cup coverage earns penalty
post gazette ^ | July 05, 2006 | Stefan Fatsis

Posted on 07/06/2006 8:55:05 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

The World Cup is generating record television audiences for soccer in the U.S. But some diehard fans think the coverage deserves a red card.

Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN and ABC have been hit with complaints from soccer devotees that their telecasts are unsophisticated and mistake-ridden. The popular Web site Big Soccer has a thread titled "Pick your favorite insane thing said by the announcers so far."

A major gripe: ESPN selected an announcer, Dave O'Brien, who had never called a soccer game before this year to serve as the tournament's lead play-by-play man. Some English-speaking viewers have switched to Spanish-language Univision, which has out-rated ESPN and its sister cable network ESPN2 on average for the tournament in Germany.

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"They're trying to give us all this information to show us how much they know," says Steven Cohen, who has bashed ESPN on his "World Soccer Daily" show on Sirius Satellite Radio. "All they're showing us is how much they don't know."

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The soccer executives opposed the appointment of Mr. O'Brien. Their argument: using an announcer unfamiliar with the sport might not help ratings but certainly could hurt them. "Would you ever put a guy who had never called a sport before ... in the World Series, the Super Bowl or the Olympics?" a senior U.S. soccer executive says. "Never."

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TOPICS: Sports
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To: kevkrom

I'm a huge soccer fan; it's by far my favorite sport, and I have to admit that I do think it's getting to the point where FIFA needs to recognize that defenses are starting dominate a little too much now.

I appreciate low scoring games too - probably the most exciting match I've ever seen is the 0-0 draw the USA got in Mexico City in WC qualifying a few years ago, but I do miss the 3-2 and 4-3 wars that teams used to play. Those games are pretty much a thing of the past now, especially when you get to knockout play, and I don't think that's a good thing.

Again, I do appreciate the tension of a 0-0 1-0 type game, but when every game or almost every game ends like that I think it needs to be addressed.


141 posted on 07/06/2006 12:35:45 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: scrabblehack
Are the residents of Manchester City proper supposed to root for Manchester City

As any true Red Devils fan can tell you, EVERYONE is supposed to root for Manchester United. Then if you're in the north, and you have anything left over, a bit of a cheer for "City" is okay, too.

142 posted on 07/06/2006 12:35:47 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: longtermmemmory

They keep reporting about the spectacular ratings they're getting for the games. Wonder if they're counting Univision in that count?


143 posted on 07/06/2006 12:44:47 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: safeasthebanks
Actually you are the one showing how little you know now. Please check the Nielsen Ratings for the most watched TV broadcasts of all time.

After you do let me know how many of those "Most Watched" say Super Bowl, and how many say "World Cup".

I am done now. I don't come to FR to insult people, but I do return in kind.

144 posted on 07/06/2006 12:45:08 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: winodog

er ah....it's nil nil


145 posted on 07/06/2006 12:47:37 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: scrabblehack

Here's a good history of Manchester City

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pagegid={CFE9542C-55A3-4F75-A396-D3C46CC44FC3}&pcpageid=14770

and a good history of Manchester United

http://www.manutd.com/history/heritage.sps?itype=489&icustompageid=1041

Although they're in the Premier league now, City have spent much of their existence playing "minor league ball". United's the bigger draw, even now.


146 posted on 07/06/2006 12:50:02 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: kevkrom
Kev, you make some very valid points. But the thrill of a pitcher's duel in baseball is because it so very rarely happens. A 0-0 GEM of a game is a wonderful rarity to be savored. THe greatest baseball game I have ever seen was Game 7 of the Braves-Twins Series, 1-0 in 10 innings. and, you are right, I was on the edge of my seat for all of the last 4-5 innings.

However, in soccer, that is every game, and it is not a rare gem to be savored, it is continuous boring running back and forth.

I will be totally honest. I actually love to watch soccer every once in a while. But I get infuriated when every single time there is an excitng play it is called back for offside, or some moron writhes around on the field looking like he just got shot or is trying to win the Academy Award.

A team should be rewarded for a great move or a quick clearing pass, not penalized because the Defender was either too slow, completely fooled or just stopped to draw the offside.

There is no such thing as a true attacking style in soccer. The only hope is get enough people forward to get the defenders to make a mistake so you can get a foul close in or a corner kick that will allow you to run a Set Piece and score.

That is the difference between Baseball/Football and Soccer. The first two reward and are by nature Agressive sports. Soccer is a Passive sport. Sort of like the difference between Americans and Europeans.

147 posted on 07/06/2006 12:53:49 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish
You're kidding right? ~1.3 BILLION people watched the 2002 World Cup final compared to 95 MILLION for the last Super Bowl.

More people watched the World Cup final in Brazil than watched the Super Bowl worldwide.

148 posted on 07/06/2006 12:54:36 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: notfornothing
And how many people IN AMERICA watched the Super Bowl compared to the World Cup. Read the Conversation, it was about MOST WATCHED IN AMERICA!

I could care less how many people in Brazil watched anything.

By that thinking the favorite past time in the entire world is living grass huts and farming rice fields because BILLIONS of Chinese do that.

149 posted on 07/06/2006 12:57:39 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish
I think you mean "couldn't care less," and I'm sorry, but this "if it doesn't happen in the USA then it doesn't matter" line is starting to get a little old. Not being able to find Brazil or China on a map is NOT something to brag about.
150 posted on 07/06/2006 1:02:58 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: commish
The education continues......

Your previous post said "most Americans don't watch....." The definition of "most" means, simply, more Americans are watching than not watching. Therefore, while the WC is clearly not watched by most Americans, neither is the Super Bowl watched by "most Americans". NO SPORTING EVENT IS!!!!

But again, I'm still trying to figure out what the number of viewers has to do with the topic of this thread, which is what network has the better announcers for a certain sport. But hey, that's just me....

151 posted on 07/06/2006 1:06:04 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: safeasthebanks
But again, I'm still trying to figure out what the number of viewers has to do with the topic of this thread, which is what network has the better announcers for a certain sport. But hey, that's just me....

Because silly, every thread is about Illegal Immigration! Didn't you know that? ;-)

152 posted on 07/06/2006 1:09:22 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish
How could I forget!

Disregard all my previous comments (as most smart people do!)

153 posted on 07/06/2006 1:13:40 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: ArmstedFragg

The cliché is that all Mancunians support Manchester City, while Manchester United’s fans all live in the south.

It’s not entirely true.


154 posted on 07/06/2006 1:14:04 PM PDT by FostersExport
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To: Kokojmudd

Gary Thorne was an outstanding NHL Hockey announcer when ESPN had the games.

155 posted on 07/06/2006 1:17:33 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: FostersExport
It’s not entirely true.

You're right. Some of them live in the U.S.

156 posted on 07/06/2006 1:22:12 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

Something is very wrong with the pic on the right.......


157 posted on 07/06/2006 1:23:06 PM PDT by Osage Orange (It's an easy game...this business of making money.)
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To: ArmstedFragg

For all the soccer haters, NFL Tampa Bay Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer gained majority control of Manchester U last year.


158 posted on 07/06/2006 1:30:30 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Andonius_99

I have an earlier post about all the bad sports reporters on ESPN, and that guy is one of them. Thatguy is a total joke.


159 posted on 07/06/2006 1:33:08 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: stainlessbanner
Tampa Bay Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer gained majority control of Manchester U last year

...and City gained a lot of new supporters.

160 posted on 07/06/2006 1:41:57 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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