Dobbs- North American Union (watch the video)

YouTube (vids) ^ | June 25, 2006 | Lou Dobbs/CNN

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

CNN Show Host Lou Dobbs brings us a segment on a proposed "North American Union"

[Quix]

Wish I had the luxury of believing such notions.

Studying the organizations' own documents under their own imprints 1965-69 in my job and lots since then . . . leaves me no choice but to reject such assumptions.

I do realize that such assumptions allow a lot of people to sleep easier.

For many years, there was dozens of clusters of evidence buried under tons of very boring stuff that few people bothered with.

Then after a decade or two, there was 100's of clusters of evidence--most of it still buried under tons of very boring stuff that few people bothered with--but not so much as before and not all of it.

Then the last decade or two some of the more alert, awake and unblind have had access to thousands of clusters of evidence with some rather easy to access.

But it's inconvenient to a lot of comforting assumptions to delable it as conspiracy nonsense/tinfoil. And, since sleep and short-term comfort are more important than reality and long term security, safety . . . sheeple are much more likely to assume untruths about uncomfortable facts.

[Quix]

I most strongly disagree.

Where else but the best conservative website should such issues and evidence be discussed regarding the wholesale effort for longer than 50 years to established the world government predicted for 2,000 years?

The goals I read in the powers that be's hourse-organ publications in 1965 have, in my estimation, been 85%+ reached or mostly reached. From my long studied perspective, that shoots the brazen assumptions about conspiracy THEORY/tinfoil well out of the water.

Clearly, the left where the puppet masters have wholesale control of the individuals, the MSM, the educational institutions etc. all toward supporting the rush to globalism--THEY are not going to discuss the facts except with wholesale lies, distortions and the rosiest of utopian terms.

IS IT REALLY PATRIOTIC or very rational, TO LEAVE THE DISCUSSION TO THEM?

FR is a great place of amazing diversity with a lot of great minds--an excellent forum for teasing apart such convoluted, complex sets of evidence as such a complex reality manifests. I can't think of a better place for the discussion and analysis of such evidence and issues.

I believe it enhances the forum to be on the cutting edge of such discussions. Sure, the puppet masters will pay increasingly scrutinizing attention to us as we elaborate on their traitorous doings . . . but we should have known that was part of the bargain when we worked against their start stooges--Dillbo & Shrillery Klintoon.

Sure, I realize it's fashionable to point unknowing and very pointed fingers at those of us who've read the most in the field. I realize that clucking the tongue is a favorite derisive past time heron regarding such facts and issues. I don't consider THAT very enhancing to the rational discourse or the forum, myself.

But as the global government gets closer and closer . . . rants about "tinfoil" will afford no protection whatsoever.
Rants about tinfoil will afford no useful guidance whatsoever.
Rants about tinfoil will afford no practical suggestions whatsoever.
Rants about tinfoil will not impress the growing ghestapo whatsoever.
Rants about tinfoil will also not protect one's options to buy and sell without an implant whatsoever.

But I do realize that believing in the prophecies of the Bible from 2,000+ years ago about an evolving event in our lifetime is INCONVENIENT to a lot of hedonistic priorities and aims. I do realize that it's much more comforting to label the increasing rush since 1948 to a global government as an evil fairytale.

I just don't have the luxury of buying into that any longer. I know too much. And I cherish the truth.

I thought all Conservatives cherished the truth.

[Quix]

I don't like Lou Dobbs Bushbashing at all.

I think Dobbs is an idiot puppet master stooge in a list of ways.

But it is THE LEFT which has a death grip on the globalists' aims. Sure, the globalists have heavy influences in the right.

I hope and pray they are relatively few in this Administration.

But to be blind to the Left's wholesale co-option by the globalists is foolhardy, imho.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Well, thank you at least for the DR part of that WADR!

[Quix]

Indeed.

Though telling the patriotic truth hereon should not require such close attention to that need.

[Quix]

I fiercely disagree with that inaccurate and wholesale distortion.

[Quix]

Indeed. I noticed that paradox.

[Quix]

Great to see you posting more truth, as usual.

Thanks. Sometimes the bashing of the truth by supposed patriots gets wearying as well as mystifying.

[Quix]

such a thing as being excessively and improperly proud of your country.

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I'm not sure about that.

But there sure is such a thing as being excessively and improperly proud of lies of the MSM, leftists, globalists et al who've been busy selling the traitorous globalism for 50-400 years depending on the soureces one examines.

[Dawnsblood]

You are always welcome. We let the heat of the argument get the better of us (I do it alot... see my earlier posts). There seems to be a lot of conjecture and very little fact, as Mr Hawkins shows. I, of course find Mr Hawkin's case to be more solid than Mr Corsi's, but given time He and I may both be proven wrong. I does need to be watched carefully. Best of evenings to you, AmericanInTokyo.

[Dawnsblood]

umm I=it... dang it!

[pluviosilla]

There’s a lot more in that video that a few nonsensical claims about the North American Union. It contains all usual John Bircher demonology involving Rockerfellers, bankers, the CFR, etc. The soft-voiced narrator does not mention Jews, but you can be sure, that if you got to know these morons you would find the usual foul anti-semiitism.

G. K. Chesterton said, “A mad man is not someone who has lost his reason, but someone who has lost everything but his reason.” People usually associate conspiracy theory with craziness, and it is (check out the movie A Beautiful Mind), people who think eloborate inferences qualify as “proofs”. but conspiracy theory is not just crazy; it’s evil, and in recent years some have even argued that it is the principal source of evil in all human affairs. There’s a Catholic theologian who has argued that it is the most important element of Original Sin.

To really understand conspiracy theory,you need to read René Girard’s book Scapegoat.

Girard shows how much primitive religion is based on murdering innocents (exceptional people, very ugly or very beutiful, very poor or very rich, etc.) as a form of catharsis accompanied by an ELABORATE PSEUDO-LOGIC used to justify the murder. Remember the scene in the movie Monty Python:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

Crowd: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
Official: How do you know she is a witch?
[Nonsensical arguments]
Official: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch. Tell me what do you do with witches?
Crowd: Burn them!!! Burn them!!!
Official: And what do you burn apart from witches?
Crowd [thoughtful]: Wood.
Official: So, why do witches burn?
Crowd [thoughtful]: Because they are made of wood?
Official: Good! So, how do we tell if she is made of wood?
Crowd: Build a bridge out of her?
Official: Ah, but can you not also make a bridge out of stone?
Crowd [assents, perplexed & silent]
Official: Does wood sink in water?
Crowd: No! It floats!!! It floats!! [gleefully] Throw her into pond!!
Official: What also floats in water?
Crowd: Apples, small rocks, cherries, ....
King Arthur: A duck!
Official: Exactly!
Member of Crowd: So, LOGICALLY, if she weighs the same as a duck, then she’s made of wood, which means she is a witch!!!

The most fascinating part of Girard’s work is his very persuasive argument that the rise of modern science depending on DISCIPLINING OUR INFERENCE MECHANISM. We think of science as the search for causes, and it is, but actually, modern science (as opposed to voodoo & primitive religion) depends on RESTRAINING the tendency to see causes where they do not exist. What prevented the rise of science was not the inability to see causes, but the emotional need people have to discover bogus causes that explain their pain (traditionally explain a plague or a war) and to give them an excuse to vent their pent-up envy, fear and resentment.

The hallmark of conspiracy theory is the obsession with SECRECY. If you can invent a fairy tale about things happening in secret, you do not have to confront very real public evils. You are off the hook for being a real adult with difficult choices. How nice. Why worry about Islamic extremists? That might obligate you to adopt an opinion that won’t be popular at a social event, a party. Much better to talk in whispers about secret plots that “THEY” are hatching, because then you do not have to take a stand against real people who are in your face, just abstract invisible people. Conspiracy theory is a form of cowardice combined with a deep need for emotional catharsis masquerading as logic, but the people who practice it are the precise opposite of what Aristotle would have called rational men.

As far as Medved goes, he has a Conspiracy Theory show once a month when the moon is full, and the North Am Union usually comes up. He accepts calls from conspiracy theorists and exposes them as the fools they are. I will be happy to supply past broadcasts in MP3 format if you like. I have a number of them.

Lou Dobbs an is an example of a guy who makes a pretty good living peddling conspiracy theories. His most outrageous lie to date is the one about illegal aliens bringing leprosy into the US. Usually people just ignore this scumbag, but in this case the main stream press called him on the carpet. Just do a Google search with the phrase “Lou Dobbs plague” and you will find plenty of links. Here’s one:

http://volokh.com/posts/1180547228.shtml

Apparently, CNN only cares about Lou Dobbs good ratings, so they are starting to look more and more like the broadcast version of the National Enquirer