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DA's statements, record at odds (DukeLax)
News & Observer ^ | June 15, 2006 | Joseph Neff

Posted on 06/15/2006 2:22:31 AM PDT by abb

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To: Fido969
I did not say I believe that the child welfare rules were particularly good. The idea of taking children first and asking questions later is well-intentioned, but also very traumatic for the children. I am glad I do not make those calls because emergency custody orders do not fall under the auspices of a prosecutor's office. Social Services and the family court handle that. I may handle resulting criminal charges (if any), but by the time they get to me the defendants have all the protections of a presumption of innocence and the requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If I wanted to decide child custody matters, I would run for the family court bench. I do not. If a child has truly been harmed, I will gladly prosecute the one doing the harm, though. I will say that the vast majority of Social Service actions never result in criminal charges.

I don't know where you get off saying I am too wrapped up in my job to see the results. I live with the results every day. I have tried cases that resulted in fathers being taken from their children, but I do not see the wisdom in allowing a murderer or armed robber to escape punishment merely to keep a family together (if that is what you were getting at - I'm not sure what you meant). I LIVE with the results of the criminal justice system every day. I have lost many a nights sleep over violent criminals who have gone unpunished because we lacked evidence or because a trial did not end as we wished. That really bothers me. On the other hand, I share with judges and with no other attorneys the requirement that I do justice. Prosecutors are not charged and sworn to win cases, but to do justice - to the extent the system allows it. I have dismissed many a case where I thought the defendant guilty but had no evidence. I have also dismissed cases where I had lots of evidence but thought the defendant innocent. It is a great responsibility, but I take prosecutorial discretion seriously. I even get to give people breaks occasionally when they are caught dead-to-rights.

I dare say I know quite a bit better than you what the results of the criminal justice system are (though I suspect from your tone that you may know better the results of family court matters - which I never deal with). The cost of our system is criminals who are never punished. The benefit of the system is that innocent people are seldom convicted of crimes. I can live with the cost of the system, but only by realizing that criminal justice is no such thing. It is just a procedure to punish those who leave the most evidence. Ultimate justice will come at a higher court. If I did not believe that, I would have quit this business long ago.
241 posted on 06/16/2006 11:52:36 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: ltc8k6

Wasn't there a newspaper article, N&O maybe, that talked about Kim meeting with Crystal replete with hugging and crying? I guess Crystal forgave her for pushing her, in her red teddy and one white heel, out of a car onto the street. Too funny.


242 posted on 06/16/2006 12:12:02 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: RecallMoran

And Precious must have also forgiven her for helping those dastardly lacrosse players kidnap and rape her. Precious did a lot of forgiving of Kimmy, looks like.


243 posted on 06/16/2006 12:19:31 PM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13

This would make an awesome movie. (Or my other idea of collecting illegal aliens from restaurant kitchens and lawn services to win the World Cup). You guys can do the casting.


244 posted on 06/16/2006 12:31:30 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: Law is not justice but process


Well, thank you for your note. As I said, I am sure you are an honest and well-intentioned fellow.

But all I have to base my understanding on is my personal experience. Which was pretty bad.

And the Duke case looks pretty bad, too.

Coincidence, perhaps.


245 posted on 06/16/2006 12:47:23 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: All

What is Stephens going to do?

On Greta tonight, a reporter from the Durham Herald Sun, that has been on this case from the beginning, said that Nifong is not under pressure in Durham. He said he has NOT come under criticism in Durham, he said it has come from the "OUTSIDE".
Ah - the enclave of Durham and Durham Justice served like no other.

So, where is Stephens going. This is one guy that can shut Nifong down. Stephens could've listened at the first hearing and put a stop to this farce, however, he grandstanded and cut off defense attorneys and acted indignant when they sincerely tried to document all evidence and ensure their access to all information in the case - their rights, by law.

Looking for someone - anyone - that can stop the madness.
As far as someone that has authority of the Justice system - the courtroom - no one in that realm has made one little peep of criticism or raised even the most tacit questions about Nifong's case, actions, or appearances.

Any Ideas?


246 posted on 06/16/2006 10:30:08 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: RecallMoran

Wasn't there a newspaper article, N&O maybe, that talked about Kim meeting with Crystal replete with hugging and crying? I guess Crystal forgave her for pushing her, in her red teddy and one white heel, out of a car onto the street. Too funny.
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In one of her first blacked-out appearances, Kim referred to Crystal as her Sister or Sista?


247 posted on 06/16/2006 10:32:08 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: All; ladyjane; bjc

The backlog looks immense and bespeaks incompetence

Durham bespeaks incompetence.
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Lil Kim said nobody bespeakin about Durham like that!


248 posted on 06/16/2006 10:45:22 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: maggief

How smug would Nifong be if he could be sued for defamation?

http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2006/06/the_best_defens.html


249 posted on 06/17/2006 6:13:13 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

I especially liked the part about Nifong having to recuse himself if he was sued. :)


250 posted on 06/17/2006 8:21:00 AM PDT by Dukie07
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To: Dukie07

Man! Wouldn't THAT be justice!!! Then to be beaten by Cheek with his former campaign manager's help. He'd be moaning, "Boy, ven tings go wrong!"


251 posted on 06/17/2006 9:27:21 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Dukie07

Since I think Nifong has personality disorder issues, i.e. he's a nut, I think he would view his forced recusal as more proof "they're afraid to face me in court".


252 posted on 06/17/2006 11:37:40 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

I wouldn't honestly care what he thought as long as he was out of the way so that justice could be done. This isn't about Mike Nifong (even though in his mind, of course, it is).


253 posted on 06/17/2006 12:51:39 PM PDT by Dukie07
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To: GAgal
How smug would Nifong be if he could be sued for defamation?

You guys don't understand rat politics. Nifong knows what he is doing. He is banking on a rat sweep of the legislature in 06, and a leftie rat, maybe Hitlary willing in 08. That would set his career all up.

Remeber REPRESNTAIVE Schumer defending the clintonistas over Waco? They made him a senator for that.

The radical fems running the far left will take care of Nifong.

254 posted on 06/17/2006 5:02:24 PM PDT by Fido969
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