Linux? Windows? Huh?

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[antiRepublicrat]

Boy, talk about "Speak the name of the Devil..."

[Golden Eagle]

It's a clone of American software called Unix, put out by the son of noted communists in Finland.

[Senator Bedfellow]

(which, incedentally tells you that you don’t actually OWN the the OS, you’re just borrowing it from MS)

Ummm, the GPL does not grant you "ownership" of Linux - it merely grants you a license to use and modify it.

[Golden Eagle]

Which Distro does Dell use? What was the nationality of that companies founder?

If you're referring to Bob Young (the founder of Red Hat), he's not from the USA. And surely you aren't referring to Suse, which comes from Germany.

[softwarecreator]

But how much “a little work” can we expect of an inexperienced new computer user.

Oh puhleaze!!!

Is this guy kidding me ?

Linux is far less user friendly to inexperienced people than windows.

I lost all interest in this article after I read that line because obviously this writer is a few kernels short of a full operating system.

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[N3WBI3]

Redhat was not ofunded by Bob Young but way to make stuff up for points... Red Hat was founded by Marc Ewing..

[N3WBI3]

SB,

I don't agree. If a person has some back round in windows sure its probably easier for them but if they have never touched a machine I don't see why Linux would be more difficult..

[N3WBI3]

Zooro,

Despite the fact Linus (The creator of Linux) is not a communist and that his father renounced it GE never fails to try and slander them.

Linus is one of the most mellow and balanced voices in technology. He generally avoids publicly slamming someone else's products, does not believe all software should be OSS, and has even said if he knew of the OpenBSD project he would have never started Linux. Basically he is a pragmatic member of the OSS community who commands as much, if not more, authority (such as can be had in the OSS community) than its founder (and political nutball) Richard Stallman. Linux is an POSIX compatible operating system which is very similar to UNIX the world leader in sales is Red Hat an American company based out of North Carolina.

[Golden Eagle]

Red Hat founder joins the circus

Bob Young has traded in his Red Hat for a top hat. Known for sporting a crimson fedora at trade shows, the founder and one-time chairman of Linux software maker Red Hat now plans to don the duds of a ringmaster when he kicks off his latest venture, Lulu Tech Circus, at the end of this month.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-956636.html

Linux is foreign no matter how much you'd like to cover it up.

[Golden Eagle]

"Linus is one of the most mellow and balanced voices in technology."

Ridiculous, Torvalds has suggested people "hire a hit man and whack the guy" if they ever sue you for patent infringement.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=torvalds+%22whack+the+stupid+git%22&fr=FP-tab-web-t400&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

Which may be why no one has sued for patent infringement yet, despite open source groups admitting there close to 300 violations in the kernel alone.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=283+patents+linux&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t400&x=wrt

[ShadowAce]

Ridiculous, Torvalds has suggested people "hire a hit man and whack the guy" if they ever sue you for patent infringement.

Here ya go

[Señor Zorro]

It's a clone of American software called Unix, put out by the son of noted communists in Finland.

I know darn well what it is. I use it for my personal system (and a laptop, no less). Software is cloned all the time. That doesn't make it "fake" (unless they claimed it was UNIX, which they didn't) and being the son of a noted communist does not make you yourself a communist. Your reasoning on that score is the same one that liberals use to say that whites should pay reparations.

What IS your beef with it? Is it that it is not an "American product"? (if so, bear in mind that programmers from all over the world hack away on it and it isn't "owned" by anyone the source is, well, open).

[Señor Zorro]

All of this I know. I use Gentoo Linux at home and I love it. I am just trying to get his "arguments" (you called it slander, which fits far better) out in the open before someone who knows no better goes away thinking that Communists are planning to take over the world by spreading the insidious software known as Linux.

[Golden Eagle]

I have many problems with it, as do many others, which is why it's stuck down in minority number of users despite the obvious campaign to push it down everyone's throats.

To start with, it's not American, and exisiting American products are better. It's backed by radical leftists, like Richard Stallman, whose stated goal is to make all software free, thereby destroying a huge US industry that provided the wealth for several of the richest Americans, including the world's richest man. Yet it's constantly pushed by those who wish to claim it's somehow superior to the existing American products, and try to hide the fact it's foreign and backed by socialists like Stallman. They also want to deny that every communist government on Earth is standardizing on it, as is the DNC here in the US.

Until you're willing to admit those basic facts, or at least admit their possibility, there's little for us to discuss. I just want the truth to be known, despite the concerted effort by some to constantly cover it up.

[Golden Eagle]

"He generally avoids publicly slamming someone else's products"

More absurdity. He called Apple Computer's operating system "a piece of crap"

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=torvalds+apple+crap&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&x=wrt

and later said the Mach developers were "incompetent idiots"

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/21/1536213&from=rss

Nonetheless, I'm sure you'll make the same claim again, soon.

[softwarecreator]

To start with, it's not American, and exisiting American products are better.

I, for one, admire your patriotism.  I'm not quite sold on what an OS has to do with national pride, but I'm glad to see someone sticking up for America.  =)

[Señor Zorro]

I have many problems with it, as do many others, which is why it's stuck down in minority number of users despite the obvious campaign to push it down everyone's throats.

Like what? It's more secure and more stable. The main reason that it is "stuck" in the minority is that it is facing a near monopoly--one that was already in existence when it was first written in 1991.

While there are some overzealous geeks who would "shove it down people's throats", there is no "obvious campaign" except in your own paranoid mind. The vast majority of computer user's don't even know it exists.

To start with, it's not American, and exisiting American products are better.

It isn't American. But then again, it isn't Swedish, Finnish, Chinese, Mongolian, or even Summerian. There are people from all over the world, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES who work on it.

It's backed by radical leftists, like Richard Stallman, whose stated goal is to make all software free, thereby destroying a huge US industry that provided the wealth for several of the richest Americans, including the world's richest man.

First of all Stallman founded GNU and GNU != Linux. Linux is an operating system kernel and, in case you didn't know, the GNU project has been working on their own kernel, HURD, and were working on it before Linus began his.

Secondly, American != Better. A free market favors the best products rather than the ones made within a certain country (ours isn't truly a free market, but rather an almost-free one). Linux is a better product. Give it time.

Thirdly, even if GNU/Linux became the system of choice, this would not bring down software. GNU relies on programmers to create the code. Companies would, unquestionably, hire them to write code within the projects to implement features they needed. Furthermore, many companies use applications that are developed and used 100% in-house. They will still need programmers to create and maintain software for their own use. While Stallman might like to end commercial software it won't happen and even if it did, it wouldn't end programming as a profession.

Fourthly, by using it you are not supporting Stallman or his politics.

They also want to deny that every communist government on Earth is standardizing on it, as is the DNC here in the US.

There are a few reasons for that. First, it could be that those organizations LIKE IT BETTER! Secondly, it is free ("as in beer"). This is a boon to communists who don't really want to pay anyone anything. Besides, they probably care more about security than many members of the US government. Remember the loony hacker who broke into US computers looking for UFO info on military computers? The computers he broke into were Windows systems (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4715612.stm). It's just a lot easier to have a good, secure Linux system than it is a good, secure Windows one.

Nobody is covering up anything. Calm down. The fact is that none of your complaints have anything to do with whether or not it's better. You never argue that Windows is superior to Linux technically. You just attack those who use/create it.