Posted on 05/30/2006 10:01:14 AM PDT by NapkinUser
In March 2005 at their summit meeting in Waco, Tex., President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin issued a joint statement announced the creation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP). The creation of this new agreement was never submitted to Congress for debate and decision. Instead, the U.S. Department of Commerce merely created a new division under the same title to implement working groups to advance a North American Union working agenda in a wide range of areas, including: manufactured goods, movement of goods, energy, environment, e-commerce, financial services, business facilitation, food and agriculture, transportation, and health.
SPP is headed by three top cabinet level officers of each country. Representing the United States are Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Representing Mexico are Secretario de Econom�Fernando Canales, Secretario de Gobernaciarlos Abascal, and Secretario de Relaciones Exteriores, Luis Ernesto Derbéz. Representing Canada are Minister of Industry David L. Emerson, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety, Anne McLellan, and Minister of Foreign Affairs Pierre Stewart Pettigrew.
Reporting in June 2005 to the heads of state of the three countries, the trilateral SPP emphasized the extensive working group structure that had been established to pursue an ambitious agenda:
In carrying out your instructions, we established working groups under both agendas of the Partnership Security and Prosperity. We held roundtables with stakeholders, meetings with business groups and briefing sessions with Legislatures, as well as with other relevant political jurisdictions. The result is a detailed series of actions and recommendations designed to increase the competitiveness of North America and the security of our people.
This is not a theoretical exercise being prepared so it can be submitted for review. Instead, SPP is producing an action agreement to be implemented directly by regulations, without any envisioned direct Congressional oversight.
Upon your review and approval, we will once again meet with stakeholders and work with them to implement the workplans that we have developed.
And again, the June 2005 SPP report stresses:
The success of our efforts will be defined less by the contents of the work plans than by the actual implementation of initiatives and strategies that will make North America more prosperous and more secure.
Reviewing the specific working agenda initiatives, the goal to implement directly is apparent. Nearly every work plan is characterized by action steps described variously as our three countries signed a Framework of Common Principles or we have signed a Memorandum of Understanding , or we have signed a declaration of intent etc. Once again, none of the 30 or so working agendas makes any mention of submitting decisions to the U.S. Congress for review and approval. No new U.S. laws are contemplated for the Bush administration to submit to Congress. Instead, the plan is obviously to knit together the North American Union completely under the radar, through a process of regulations and directives issued by various U.S. government agencies.
What we have here is an executive branch plan being implemented by the Bush administration to construct a new super-regional structure completely by fiat. Yet, we can find no single speech in which President Bush has ever openly expressed to the American people his intention to create a North American Union by evolving NAFTA into this NAFTA-Plus as a first, implementing step.
Anyone who has wondered why President Bush has not bothered to secure our borders is advised to spend some time examining the SPP working groups agenda. In every area of activity, the SPP agenda stresses free and open movement of people, trade, and capital within the North American Union. Once the SPP agenda is implemented with appropriate departmental regulations, there will be no area of immigration policy, trade rules, environmental regulations, capital flows, public health, plus dozens of other key policy areas countries that the U.S. government will be able to decide alone, or without first consulting with some appropriate North American Union regulatory body. At best, our border with Mexico will become a speed bump, largely erased, with little remaining to restrict the essentially free movement of people, trade, and capital.
Canada has established an SPP working group within their Foreign Affairs department. Mexico has placed the SPP within the office of the Secretaria de Economia and created and extensive website for the Alianza Para La Securidad y La Prosperidad de Améica del Norte (ASPAN). On this Mexican website, ASPAN is described as a permanent, tri-lateral process to create a major integration of North America.
The extensive working group activity being implemented right now by the government of Mexico, Canada, and the United States is consistent with the blueprint laid out in the May 2005 report of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), titled Building a North American Community.
The Task Forces central recommendation is the establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community, the boundaries of which would be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter. (page xvii)
The only borders or tariffs which would remain would be those around the continent, not those between the countries within:
Its (the North American Communitys) boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America. (page 3)
What will happen to the sovereignty of the United States? The model is the European Community. While the United States would supposedly remain as a country, many of our nation-state prerogatives would ultimately be superseded by the authority of a North American court and parliamentary body, just as the U.S. dollar would have to be surrendered for the Amero, the envisioned surviving currency of the North American Union. The CFR report left no doubt that the North American Union was intended to evolve through a series of regulatory decisions:
While each country must retain its right to impose and maintain unique regulations consonant with its national priorities and income level, the three countries should make a concerted effort to encourage regulatory convergence.
The three leaders highlighted the importance of addressing this issue at their March 2005 summit in Texas. The Security and Prosperity Partnership for North America they signed recognizes the need for a stronger focus on building the economic strength of the continent in addition to ensuring its security. To this end, it emphasizes regulatory issues. Officials in all three countries have formed a series of working groups under designated lead cabinet ministers. These working groups have been ordered to produce an action plan for approval by the leaders within ninety days, by late June 2005, and to report regularly thereafter. (pages 23-24)
Again, the CFR report says nothing about reporting to Congress or to the American people. What we have underway here with the SPP could arguably be termed a bureaucratic coup detat. If that is not the intent, then President Bush should rein in the bureaucracy until the American people have been fully informed of the true nature of our governments desire to create a North American Union. Otherwise, the North American Union will become a reality in 2010 as planned. Right now, the only check or balance being exercised is arguably Congressional oversight of the executive bureaucracy, even though Congress itself might not fully appreciate what is happening.
Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), and "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians." He is a frequent guest on the G. Gordon Liddy radio show. He will soon co-author a new book with Jim Gilchrist on the Minuteman Project.
So what do you do for a living? LOL
I have had the same feeling for a while now, myself.
Dishonesty? I said I read the Heritage Foundation report and found it credible, asking you "what assumptions do you not find valid?" You suggest that granting "earned citizenship" to millions of illegals and increasing annual legal immigration quotas could result in no impact, or a small one? That defies logic. I suggest a new comb.
In fact, it is precisely the studies which you believe or want to believe which should be MORE closely scrutinized.
I did scrutinize it. And you? One more time... what assumptions in the Heritage Foundation report do you find not credible? Or do you just dismiss it's findings because you don't want to believe them?
In the last twenty years apparently 11-12 million Illegals have arrived hence I see no reason to assume the next twenty years will be different.
Ahhhh, but my question, and the Heritage Foundation report we were discussing, was not about illegal immigration. The 100 million estimate (and its subsequent estimate of 66 million to reflect the Bingaman amendment) was projecting the number of legal immigrants over the next 20 years. There may very well be an additional 11-12 million illegals on top of that number.
Oh, so Culbertson is a liar? FBI Director Robert Mueller is a liar? And JustShutUpAndTakeIt knows all?
Keep digging.
FBI Director has confirmed in sworn testimony...
The Terrorists come over the Canadian border as the one caught by the customs agent in 2000 did. Most will come over either legally through the airports as did the 911 murderers or illegally with forged passports but also through the airports.
They are not going to risk their lives and being captured by taking the dangerous route from Mexico. Only an idiot would do that particularly when coming into Detroit from Windsor is a breeze.
The MAJOR routes are ALL legal.
I wouldn't know about "transnationalist" views. But the proper view of Illegal immigration is that it is a nuisiance overall, a major problem in some areas and minor in others. It MIGHT be among the top half dozen problems the US faces. It IS a great topic for demagoguery and attacks against the GOP.
Considering the number of Illegals here is not even 1/3 or 1/4 the number of babies aborted I would say we still have a population deficit brought on by Roe which should be made up. National power once was determined by the size of the population and that is still an important determinant.
BTW, as I listen to my shortwave radio, Chuck Harder is talking about this with his guest right now. I've always felt this way since the 1990's or so that something is out there and it ain't good.
Your conjecture once again veers off into Nonsense. There is NOTHING in American history, law or tradition which limits citizen input from self-organized groups not part of a government, business group etc.
Freedom of association is as old as the USA.
Certainly there is nothing I am doing to undermine our traditions. As to environmentalists suing inappropriately that is not the issue but the concept of stakeholder does allow input from those AFFECTED by polluters.
Organizing fellow citizens to force action from government or others seems to be about as American as you can get.
Very interesting read about Pr. Hanson there... they really should put that into the history books.
To be referred to in the history books as "Custer's Last Congress."
Absolutely correct. And S. 2611 is merely one especially vivid example of what has gone wrong in Washington. But it by no means stands alone. Next up, for example, is a related issue and what this thread is about--the North American Union.
We need almost a total changeout in Washington, that much is clear to me.
My big feeling down in the gut is that my generation is going to "lose" "something" and that my kids will have it a lot worse off than those of many generations before... and that my generation is taking advantage of the last of the "good times".
I just get this feeling thar God, nature, karma, whatever you believe in is getting ready with the middle finger to hit some sort of reset button on us and even civilization. It's like I can't put my finger on it but it just seems like we are on the cusp of something and that something ain't good.
The Living God drowned out the planet b/c he was disgusted (my choice of word) over what man had become. If he wasn't happy then, he surely isn't happy now.
That "reset button" that you speak of is the return of Christ. 2 Peter chapter 3 lays out very clearly what happens at his return. I have to imagine that that can't be far around the corner, although having less to do with the status of the U.S. directly, but more due to the sheer and utter lack of Judeo-Christian morals worldwide.
Anyway, that might fit your description although I'm sure that's not what you had in mind.
"Why don't you show us all where the Constitution protects private property? Your remark about Kelo is false as I showed you earlier."
Other then loose canon BS, you didn't show me, or anyone else you confronted squat. You got your clock cleaned yesterday. I know your upset and angry, but so be it. I'm going to do this one more time just for you, and no more. Because I can't spend the time educating a person that either doesn't get, or refuses to get it.
Prior to Kelo, other than for bridges, roads, hospitals etc., private property was sacrosanct, and protected by the U.S. Constitution under several different clauses, and under several different Amendments, namely the Fifth. After Kelo, consensus by all dissenting conservative justices, and most, if not all legal scholars, was that the SCOTUS re interpreted, and re wrote among other Amendments, the Fifth, by changing one word..."use" to "purpose." Read the last sentence, of the last paragraph marked in red!
I've provided you, and any other persons interested with: "dissenting opinions" the full opinion of Kelo v. City of New London No. 04-108, in PDF, "Amendment V," and "Eminent domain." And yes, Kelo did make it easier to steal land for the Trans-Texas Corridor," that will eventually reach the Canadian border. If you can understand, or digest the long term affects of bad law, then I can't help you.
Dissenting opinions
"Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote the principal dissent, joined by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Justice Antonin Scalia, and Justice Clarence Thomas. Justice O'Connor suggested that the use of this power in a reverse Robin Hood fashiontake from the poor, give to the richwould become the norm, not the exception: "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms." She argued that the decision eliminates "any distinction between private and public use of property and thereby effectively [deletes] the words 'for public use' from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment."
"Clarence Thomas also penned a separate originalist dissent, in which he argued that the precedents the court's decision relied upon were flawed and that "something has gone seriously awry with this Court's interpretation of the Constitution." He accuses the majority of replacing the Fifth Amendment's "Public Use" clause with a very different "public purpose" test: "This deferential shift in phraseology enables the Court to hold, against all common sense, that a costly urban-renewal project whose stated purpose is a vague promise of new jobs and increased tax revenue, but which is also suspiciously agreeable to the Pfizer Corporation, is for a 'public use.'" Thomas also made use of the argument presented in the NAACP/AARP/SCLC amicus brief, (co-authored by South Jersey Legal Services) on behalf of three low-income residents' groups fighting redevelopment in New Jersey, noting: "Losses will fall disproportionately on poor communities. Those communities are not only systematically less likely to put their lands to the highest and best social use, but are also the least politically powerful."
Now open the link, and do a search on the doc of "public use" and "public purpose.." Public purpose is nowhere to be found in the U.S. Constitution, yet five liberal justices rewrote the meaning of the Fifth Amendment.
KELO et al. v. CITY OF NEW LONDON et al. No. 04-108
Amendment V
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." (emphasis added)
Eminent domain "The Supreme Court has held that the federal government and each state has the power of eminent domainthe power to take private property for "public use". The Fifth Amendment limits the power of eminent domain by requiring that "just compensation" be paid if private property is taken for public use. The just compensation provision of the Fifth Amendment did not originally apply directly to the states, but the federal courts now hold that the Fourteenth Amendment extended the effects of that provision to the states. The federal courts, however, have shown much deference to the determinations of Congress, and even more so to the determinations of the state legislatures, as to what constitutes "public use". The property need not actually be used by the public; rather, it must be used or disposed of in such a manner as to benefit the public welfare or public interest. One exception that restrains the federal government is that the property must be used in exercise of a government's enumerated powers."
"The owner of the property that is taken by the government must be justly compensated. Speculative schemes that the owner claims the property was intended for use in need not be taken into account when determining the amount that must be paid. Normally, the fair market value of the property determines "just compensation". If the property is taken before the payment is made, interest (though the courts have refrained from using that term) accrues."
"The federal courts have not restrained state and local governments from seizing privately owned land for private commercial development on behalf of private developers. This was upheld on June 23, 2005, when the Supreme Court issued its opinion in Kelo v. City of New London. This 54 decision remains controversial. The majority opinion, by Justice Stevens, found that it was appropriate to defer to the city's decision that the development plan had a public purpose, saying that "the city has carefully formulated a development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including, but not limited to, new jobs and increased tax revenue." Justice Kennedy's concurring opinion observed that in this particular case the development plan was not "of primary benefit to . . . the developer" and that if that was the case the plan might have been impermissible. In the dissent, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor argued that this decision would allow the rich to benefit at the expense of the poor, asserting that "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms." She argued that the decision eliminates "any distinction between private and public use of propertyand thereby effectively [deletes] the words 'for public use' from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment".
Please don't repond, because I'm not. Your prior responses to me, and others on this thread, on the NWO, globalization, CFR goes with supportive facts, or reason.
It was my impression that this discussion was about Illegals sorry if I was not hearing what you were saying. If you want to discuss all immigration that is another thing altogether.
Given the falling birth rate among natives and the likely case that it will continue to fall I can see where we will need to have more people from somewhere. We will be below the replacement level before too long particularly as income levels rise. We may already be close since the US population increases at 1% per year. This is less than three million new Americans. If we assume that about a million new immigrants arrive each year and 500,000 Illegals then our pop. increase from births may be less than 0.5% per year.
It should also be noted that the Paper states that the high number of 100 or 80 million is UNLIKELY to be reached.
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