[GMMAC]

If you or your buddy were truly interested in "legitimate debate" as you've claimed, you'd explain/justify:

1. Why recognized authorities - e.g. virtually every legitimate animal welfare organization in North America other than PETA - rejects 'breed ban legislation?
(Wristspin's ridiculous & totally unfounded claim all are in the pay of some imagined 'pit bull' cartel not withstanding)

2. The negative impact of your position on responsible, law-abiding dog-owners based upon the real world example cited in my post # 332 ?

3. Specifically what definition you're using as to what, in your mind, constitutes a 'pit bull' in light of Wristspin's seeming confusion as to same noted/raised - but, of course as is both of your 'debating' styles, still unanswered - in my post # 338.

4. How you can blithely ignore even the possibility of agenda-driven bias in the msm 'news' stories you've repeatedly cited (e.g. no other 'breed' is seldom or ever mentioned by the msm, plus the term 'pit bull' is never defined) while dismissing out-of-hand all other sources of information as somehow biased?


I'd also note, both of you seem to merely want to lash out at dogs which you see as a menace but consistently refuse to address the inherent negative social implications of a 'solution' based solely upon arbitrary & subjective perceptions as to a certain vague 'type' of dogs' general physical appearance.

Failure to answer each & every one of the questions raised above will amply demonstrate to all beyond any doubt precisely who is engaged in "legitimate debate".

[Wristpin]

1. As I pointed out Dogs are big money...Some of these folks are just misguided fighting breed fanciers, some are breed pushers. The position that Breed and genetics has no influence on the propensity to attack and kill is laughable. Retrievers retrieve, Beagles take off and chase rabbits for days, Pointers point, lap dogs sit on your lap and fighting breeds fight and attack...That's what they were selected for. You may be able to control it, but it is always there lurking.

For an example of the Pit Cabal, let's take your Canadian buddy(just look at his page), desperately seeking information on BJ's local US legislative issue. That's US local matter not one for Canadian Pit pushing globalists. Certainly no lawyers from Kanawa's Pit organizations will descend down to BJ's town and try to affect a local matter, will they?

2. Unfortunately, the Pit Bulls are failing the real world test as pets and it has become a public safety issue. Any restrictions are possibly unfair to some, but weighed against the interest of public safety. Local restrictions on dangerous property are not Unconstitutional and there are plenty of examples of restricted items and behaviors.
Unfair...maybe, UnConstitutional, No.

3.Ahh.... the ole there is no such breed talking point... I'll leave the ID of a Pit Bull up to local Law Enforcement and animal control personnel as they seize, and shoot many of these animals. Additionally, these are the number one shelter dog in many communities. These professionals handle live and dead Pits all the time.... Fair enough... or are only certified Pit Bull community DNA specialists acceptable?

4. Are you seriously contending that the media is generating these reports when no such attacks actually took place? Why haven't the Pit owners identified in these stories sued for libel? Please point out these libel suits if there are any? I think most people know that the "Pit Bull" is the commonly accepted term for APBTs and AST.


As far as debating, you've seldomed posted any factual information, merely feelings of persecution, unfairness and spin from the Pit Bull community. Then a few insults when you are stumped. Yet, not a single time have you expressed concern for the victims of these attacks, nor the overbreeding of these dogs and how many thousands are born just to die in the shelters. That's where you lose all credibility, lack of concern for things that cause real suffering. Like others have said the deceitful denial campaign is setting you back.

Now, Do you offer any constructive solutions or maintain the head in the hand approach? If you have no solutions, I award you an F minus and an "Incomplete" for lack of effort.