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To: Alia

OK xoxox. Here's my take, based Crystal is the direct ancestor of Senator Willie Mangum. Her family were his slaves back in the late 1700/early 1800's. Basically, he was boffing them, and from that sprang forth the black Mangum bloodline.

It's Durham's "dirty little secret". One they don't want to get out. Does this explain what's going on, and what's gone on in the past regarding her leniant treatment? And the vigor with which the case is being pursued.

No clue, I'm just playing armchair detective here.


313 posted on 05/13/2006 3:34:10 PM PDT by Raebie
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To: Raebie

Mangum, Willie Person (1792-1861) — also known as Willie P. Mangum — of Red Mountain (unknown county), N.C. Born in Orange County (part now in Durham County), N.C., May 10, 1792. Lawyer; member of North Carolina state house of representatives, 1818-19; superior court judge in North Carolina; U.S. Representative from North Carolina 8th District, 1823-26; U.S. Senator from North Carolina, 1831-36, 1840-53; received 11 electoral votes for President, 1836. Died in Red Mountain (unknown county), N.C., September 7, 1861. Interment in private or family graveyard.
See also: congressional biography.


318 posted on 05/13/2006 3:42:28 PM PDT by Raebie
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To: Raebie
Mere days after the story broke, I did post that Mangum is a family name shared by both blacks and whites. Often times the black slaves took the last name of their plantation masters. Sometimes, it was because of a direct bloodline.

Also early on, in what I refer to as the "graveyard diggings" by Freepers, it was obvious that properties in wills were bequeathed to both black and white.

Since arriving in NC, I've been junketing around graveyards and civil war sites. I've learned so much that I never knew before about the South. There's a rich shared history here.

So to yours, whether or not that, in reference, is her bloodline relative or an "adopted" name in the long past is unknown. North Carolina had some of the very first black-owned and run plantations, and cooperatives between blacks and whites.

I've found some very poor whites sharing the same last name with some very wealthy blacks.

The South is rich with history.

In Durham, there are white and black Mangums. A major street in Durham is named "Mangum". Through my digging I did not detect animous family brawls (Hatfield/McCoy types) between those sharing the same last name.

But instead, I do indeed detect one heck of a power struggle between the marxists and those who are trying to uphold a civil government. Both elements are within the Durham mainframe.

At one point in the election cycle Nifong said he was working hard to ensure that a Black Person would one day be named as DA. In this very election cycle. And Nifong was running against Freda Black and a Black Candidate.

This told me the current black candidate did not fit the mental mold that Nifong would like to see in office, perhaps? Or...

was Nifong possibly suggesting something bad about the Black Candidate's character? Hmmmm? I still can't believe that semen we are now JUST hearing about wasn't already detected.

349 posted on 05/13/2006 4:20:15 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Raebie

Here in the South, slaves frequently took the last name of their owner. The slaves basically had no 'last name' so when they were freed the slave just took the name of their last owner. Therefore, you would have have large populations in one area with the same last name, both white and black.


361 posted on 05/13/2006 4:30:26 PM PDT by Tarheel (When I die I am Tarheel dead.)
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To: Raebie
If you go "down east" in North Carolina, every third person is named "Midyette"

There are too many Mangums running around this area for the name to be meaningful.

As I noted earlier in the week...

Assistant District Attorney Susan Spurlin settled with Wake Electric by paying $3,991 for the diverted electricity and a $100 tampering fee, according to Chief Executive Officer Jim Mangum. Wake Electric is a cooperative with customers in Durham, Franklin, Granville, Johnston, Nash, Vance and Wake counties.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/437926.html

xoxoxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo just likes throwing out chum
373 posted on 05/13/2006 4:44:09 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Raebie; xoxoxox; Howlin
To Raebie: Wow. Thanks to your question, I've learned a ton about who really runs the shop in Durham; how, and why.

"The History Factory" + "Duke" comes up a lot. Apparently interns at Duke.. and the following article (dated June 1, 2005) which no where has the word Duke in it. Snips:

"John Boyd, the president of National Black Farmers Association, said his group has been picketing and lobbying Wachovia and other banking giants for eight years, urging them to investigate and acknowledge their historical involvement with the slave trade. "

"Similar ordinances have been passed in other cities, including Philadelphia, and a North Carolina House committee approved a bill this spring that would require companies that want to do business with state government to disclose any past financial links to slavery.

That measure has been bottled up in the Rules Committee for nearly two months. If the measure does not pass the House by Thursday, it cannot be considered again until 2007. " --end snips

Oh my. I didn't know Capitol Broadcasting Group is parent owner of WRAL. And that in 2000, Capitol Group to put forward a huge amount to renovate the American Tobacco Building, that Duke had leased space, but that some "residents" were complaining about having to help fund the parking spaces.

snip--"Opposition included strongly worded comments from Lavonia Allison, chairwoman of the influential Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People. She urged the council to find a way to pay for American Tobacco without raising taxes. " ---end snip

Hmm. Who is Lavonia Allison???

Even IndyMedia is reporting that the township of Durham, police, sherriffs, etc are intimidated by Black Racialist/Activist Lavonia Allison. And that she runs slumships and intimidates and terrorizes any of the tenants who complain. Snips:

"Dunbar, founded by Allison's father, C.J. Ingram, is still heralded in city tourism literature as a keystone of Durham's historic "Black Wall Street" district. The company provided homes for roughly 300 families, a clientele made up of low- to moderate-income African Americans in neighborhoods adjacent to the NCCU campus.

(MY NOTE: A LOT in the article about how awfully Lavonia deals with her tenants. Scary woman. And a lot from locals -- none of whom dares to cross her.)

For a 10 percent commission, the company managed rental homes for hundreds of individual property owners--including some prominent black Durhamites. According to county land records, Dunbar's principals also amassed several dozen properties in the company's name over the years, and under the individual names of Allison; her mother, Bernice Ingram (who has since died but is still listed as the owner of 17 properties); and her husband, F.V. "Pete" Allison. The company also bought and sold buildings and vacant lots, and participated in low-interest loan programs offered by the city for rehabilitating deteriorated houses. "

Whitmore also told investigators that his predecessor in the city housing inspections department was "relieved of his duties" because he "was scared of Lavonia Allison and did not stand up to her," according to commission records.

The two institutions that have shaped her life--Dunbar Realty and the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People--were born in 1935, five years after Allison. She grew up in the black Durham neighborhood of Hayti, amid middle-class professionals who included the early leaders of what was then known as the Durham Committee on Negro Affairs, as well as the founders and leaders of such key institutions as North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Co. and NCCU.

Dunbar, founded by Allison's father, C.J. Ingram, is still heralded in city tourism literature as a keystone of Durham's historic "Black Wall Street" district. The company provided homes for roughly 300 families, a clientele made up of low- to moderate-income African Americans in neighborhoods adjacent to the NCCU campus

On Jan. 22, 1996, Allison, then a member of the NCCU Board of Trustees, visited law school Dean Percy Luney to complain about the two student tenants, suggesting they were practicing law without a license. --end snips

The local NAACP just gave its "humanitarian of the year to Lavonia. snip:

"The North Raleigh Hilton (3415 Wake Forest Road in nRaleigh, NC 27609) is the site for the 22nd Annual NC NAACP Humanitarian of the Year Banquet. Long time community advocate and statewide leader, Dr. Lavonia Allison, who is the current president of the Durham nCommittee on the Affairs of Black People will be awarded the 2006 NC NAACP nHumanitarian Award. . Recently appointed nJustice Patricia Timmons-Goodson, the first African-American woman to serve on nthe NC State Supreme Court will present the Humanitarian Award to Dr. Allison"--end snip

On April 22, 2006, Lavonia and the Committee on the Affairs of Black People -- gave the thumbs up to Keith BISHOP (not Nifong).

HEY, xoxox.. confirm for me please that I have gotten your cryptic message. Okay?

More On Lavonia, and now with Cynthia McKinney.

January 25, 2005... here we go... snips:

"In the spirit of the civil rights era, black people must forge a new political vision," Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., told members of the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People on Sunday.

McKinney was the keynote speaker for the Durham Committee's annual meeting at White Rock Baptist Church. The organization, one of Durham's most influential and venerable political groups, is beginning its 70th year.

Facts thus uncovered, she said, included that on Sept. 10, 2001, top military generals canceled flights, that in July 2001, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial flights and that in the following month Bush was warned that terrorists were poised to strike. "And then our president went fishing," McKinney said. Her letter to a Saudi prince about injustices and social barriers faced by black men in the United States prompted some to question her loyalty to her country. But that criticism ignored that "George Bush and a Saudi prince were business partners," she said. She said she was angered that, "in typical American fashion, the point was missed and the facts ignored," in her letter. McKinney drew her biggest applause when she faulted "the corporate media and Uncle Toms" for not truly representing black Americans' plight.

--end snips

Inside NCCU LAW school, 2005***

Mayor Bell comes up a lot in connection with Lavonia.

Does anyone recall Crystal's mother's name? Was it Elmira?

Allison, Lavonia I. — of Durham, Durham County, N.C. Democrat. Delegate to Democratic National Convention from North Carolina, 2000, 2004. Still living as of 2004.

Howlin was right Nifong needed this case in order to push himself over Keith Bishop.

492 posted on 05/13/2006 7:10:02 PM PDT by Alia
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