[BlueStateDepression]

I will offer folsk on this thread that an official REAL ID is the governments way of recognizing our individuality. We are all different and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact I pose that this is the very opposite of communism and socialism that seeks to establish that we are all the same.

There is no right not to be ID'd. To me that is a silly thing to even try to say. Everyone on this site has an ID that they were rquired to give up information to gain. I love that little tidbit because it exposes all those that argue against it as people that will do something and then cry about it all day long.

This ID form will not be used to target you for punishment due to race, creed, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference or anything of the kind. This ID will be used to make ordinary functions in society be orderly, organized, and far more efficient than it is today.

SOme say this is the same as Nazi antics. They intentionally miss the fact that the policy the germans employed was to weed out jews for extermination. That is not even close to the purpose of this ID today. I offer that is a very disingeuous argument put forward by people that want to argue something but cannot find a realistic current or valid argument to offer in its stead.

ID is a part of life in 2006 and there is no way to avoid that. It is time that we see this in the eyes of reality and understand that doing that ID ing in the most positive efficient way benefits us all.

[american spirit]

I'm glad that you're just so positive this new type of ID will not have any negative effects on our personal liberties. I'm sure you and others will point to how effective Homeland Security has been as far as deterring terrorism by the tactics they've used for shaking down gray-haired white folks in airports........and I'm confident that any day now they'll figure out a way to protect our southern border.......yep, any day now.

[melancton]

I will offer folsk on this thread that an official REAL ID is the governments way of recognizing our individuality.

Sure. Just like the income tax and federal gun laws are meant to celebrate our individuality.

There is no right not to be ID'd.

And there is no right granted to the federal government by the Constitution to enact a national ID.

SOme say this is the same as Nazi antics. They intentionally miss the fact that the policy the germans employed was to weed out jews for extermination.

And how do we know that a national ID wouldn't be used to weed out those who criticize government policy? Of course, government apologists wouldn't have to worry about that.     

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Who's side are you on?

[ActionNewsBill]

This ID will be used to make ordinary functions in society be orderly, organized, and far more efficient than it is today.

Yep...as long as it keeps the trains running on time, there will always be brainwashed sheeple who will support this BS.

[steve-b]

This ID form will not be used to target you for punishment due to race, creed, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference or anything of the kind. This ID will be used to make ordinary functions in society be orderly, organized, and far more efficient than it is today.

[Quix]

This ID form will not be used to target you for punishment due to race, creed, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference or anything of the kind. This ID will be used to make ordinary functions in society be orderly, organized, and far more efficient than it is today.
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Didn't Hitler make such claims about some of his bureaucratic moves early in his regime?

Your faith in the benevolence of increasingly powerful and intrusive bureaucracy is . . . astounding . . . mystifying . . . shocking . . . and all the more so found on a conservative forum.

Please tell me you are not some social scientist who hasn't much of a clue about human nature.