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To: Quix
You seem to contend that you know much more about such things AND are much smarter about what you know than President Eisenhower.

I contend that today's world is not the same world as it was in his time. I contend that context matters. The context of today is not the same as in his time. You really going to make the case that it is the same? I think not, so I will disregard that bit.

The USA military is not my enemy and if you think it is then by all means escape. You are free to do so after all.

I say to you that I am all for you being free to practice your religion. I support that entirely. I say to you that it should not be forced upon anyone and you call stupid...or as you put it ( not as smart as).... Whatever. I do not have the right to push my religion opn you and you do not have the right to push your religion on me. I am sorry you cannot grant me the same respect that I grant you. It says alot about your position that you would do sucha thing.

One can put in place safeguards as this nation has done thruout all its history. Sometimes unforseen examples present themselves and there is a method to deal with them already in place. You are the one seeking tyranny by installing a religion and forcing all people to accept it. OSAMA would be proud on some levels. He wants to do that very thing also, just a different religion.

Having and ID does not equate to abuse. If an ID is abused then we should deal with that. Having the ID istelf is not an abuse.

ANYTHING is open to abuse, I mean ANYTHING. My grass can be abused by the schoolagers coming from across the street. SO WHAT? No schoolagers should be able to walk down my street becasue THEY MIGHT abuse my grass? NO! Deal with the ones that do when they do it.

I've mentioned 2 above. 1) Strengthen the family. 2) Strengthen the belief and practice of Judeo/Christian values.>BR>
Actually you want to accomplish 1) by imposing 2). GTood luck with that.

About the chip, I belive it has its proper place. I sure think it would have been a good thing to have seen jessica lynch with one. Scott micheal Speicher and Michael Durante as well. I know you will SOOOO diagree with that HUH?

Think about your border stance for a minute. You are advocating an ID! A National one! I agree with that entirely.

A sane way to hold employers accountable is to require a valid form of ID that is accurate and checkable. That takes a database to draw upon to check ID presented. If foreign workers are desired then an employer should have to show why Americans are not taking these jobs, I offer that a reality based look at such a thing would show that foreign labor is an attempt to cheat the free market and the forces that guide it. If they can show they offer a wage worth the job as to their profits then by all means allow seasonal workers to come here in an orderly identified fashion.

Strengthening the sense, truth, practice, emotional bondedness, cohesiveness, durability of neighborhoods and other communities would help

A proper ID would indeed promote all these things.

Strengthening the enforcement of laws on the books would help.

Ditto

Proper ID and an end to the what if arguments would help the courts alot. David westerfield trial is a great example. Prosecution negotiated with him about the location of danielle's body. If they took Death Penalty off the table he would tell them where the body was located. The jury NEVER got to hear that tidbit. Yet every waht if was presented even though it was known from the very begining he did what he did to that little girl. Research that trial a bit if you didn't catch it and you will see what I mean. Truth needs to be more involved in the court procedures and that would alot of the stalling that goes on.

Rehab is why so many reoffend. They were not punished. Look to Mousaui...poor little guy had a troubled childhooooooooooooddddd.....WHAHAAAAA... SO now we get to pay tax dollars for decades instead of being done with someone that has no right to walk among us.

We can remove public officials via the vote. I agree it is time people wake up and do that vewry thing. Can we start with Kerry and Kennedy?
433 posted on 05/09/2006 10:17:36 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
I contend that today's world is not the same world as it was in his time. I contend that context matters. The context of today is not the same as in his time. You really going to make the case that it is the same? I think not, so I will disregard that bit.

You seem to easily assume a lot of BS.
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1. No, things are not the same as during Ike's years. They are much worse. I read the NWO's goals first in my Librarian/Curator's job in 1965 in their own publications. At this point in history, they have achieved 85-95% of the goals they had listed then--or--shall I say--they have reached 85-95% toward completing the goals they had listed then. You seem to be oblivious of that fact.

You seem to disregard a lot of troublesome facts that are inconvenient to your position and your biases. Not impressive.

The USA military is not my enemy and if you think it is then by all means escape. You are free to do so after all.

GRRRR. I'm a fierce supporter of the US Military and particularly the Navy--given that was my branch as well as the branch of both my dads. HOWEVER, as we saw during Billdo Klintoon's years, and have seen with the retired folks criticizing Rummuy, there are well placed quislings even in our beloved military who are well able, prepared and active in supporting the Commie, Marxist, socialist, globalist, NWO goals of the puppet masters. We are foolish if we do not recognize this part of the CURRENT CONTEXT.

I say to you that I am all for you being free to practice your religion. I support that entirely. I say to you that it should not be forced upon anyone and you call stupid...or as you put it ( not as smart as).... Whatever. I do not have the right to push my religion opn you and you do not have the right to push your religion on me. I am sorry you cannot grant me the same respect that I grant you. It says alot about your position that you would do sucha thing.

That sounds mostly unbelievable, to me. You evidently are in favor of forcing your religion on me . . . infanticide, homosexual marriage, NWO philosophy in Univ, K-12, politics, Media and Hollyweed evidently has your full support. Sounds like you are not very honest with yourself.

I'm not interested in forcing my religion on you or anyone. That does NOT work and is destructive to the goals and spirit of authentic Christianity. I am interested in obedience to the Bill of Rights regarding religion instead of the twisted upside down/tail-wagging-the-dog interpretation the courts have forced on us the last several decades.

One can put in place safeguards as this nation has done thruout all its history. Sometimes unforseen examples present themselves and there is a method to deal with them already in place.

Sorry, but that sounds like foggy gobbldygook, to me. I have no idea what you are talking about.

You are the one seeking tyranny by installing a religion and forcing all people to accept it. OSAMA would be proud on some levels. He wants to do that very thing also, just a different religion.

That's a bald faced untrue interpretation of what I seek. I fiercely resent your assertion and allegation. Please avoid putting your words in my fingers. Either you have no clue what I believe and want OR you are deliberately falsifying what I believe and want. Perhaps it's somewhat both.

Having and ID does not equate to abuse. If an ID is abused then we should deal with that. Having the ID istelf is not an abuse.

Nice mantra you have going there. I don't recall saying otherwise. I think dialogue works better when you pay attention to what I'm saying rather than putting your words in my fingers. I find that point a moot point in terms of what I'm talking about.

I do also note that bureaucracies naturally tend toward tyranny. Also, that when various means for tyranny are in place--whether installed deliberately toward that goal or not, SOONER OR LATER, THE BUREAUCRACY WILL RACHET UP THE LEVEL OF TYRANNY RATHER NATURALLY AND INHERENTLY.

To put it another way . . . bureaucratic power corrupts. Absolute bureaucracy corrupts absolutely. Give virtually any bureaucracy a better means of control and that bureaucracy will maximize the control with that means accordingly and often as fast as possible.

ANYTHING is open to abuse, I mean ANYTHING. My grass can be abused by the schoolagers coming from across the street. SO WHAT? No schoolagers should be able to walk down my street becasue THEY MIGHT abuse my grass? NO! Deal with the ones that do when they do it.

This is a moot point in terms of what I'm saying. Nice straw dog. No cigar.

I've mentioned 2 above. 1) Strengthen the family. 2) Strengthen the belief and practice of Judeo/Christian values.>BR> Actually you want to accomplish 1) by imposing 2). GTood luck with that.

PLEASE quite presenting a lie about what I want as the truth. You evidently have no clue about what I want in spite of my best efforts. Your ASSUMPTIONS about what I want are off the wall compared to the truth of what I want.

About the chip, I belive it has its proper place. I sure think it would have been a good thing to have seen jessica lynch with one. Scott micheal Speicher and Michael Durante as well. I know you will SOOOO diagree with that HUH?

I have no doubt that you mean what you say. And, that's plenty alarming. Are you a conservative? I haven't followed your postings much at all. If you are a conservative and believe as above, that's quite alarming, indeed.

I wonder, once the SLAG has been implemented . . . given the heavy control of the media even 100% or near it--how will the average citizen know that it's begun to be forced? How will the average citizen know that folks are being executed because they refuse to accept the SLAG? We shall see.

Think about your border stance for a minute. You are advocating an ID! A National one! I agree with that entirely.

Hello? Are we on the same planet? More off the wall ASSUMPTION about what I've written and want. SHOW ME. WHERE DID I EVER ADVOCATE A NATIONAL ID???? I deplore the whole idea. I even deplore standardizing Federal standards for State Drivers' licenses. Sheesh. If you truly want a dialogue, which I doubt, please pay attention much better to what I write and particularly to what I do not write!

A sane way to hold employers accountable is to require a valid form of ID that is accurate and checkable. That takes a database to draw upon to check ID presented. If foreign workers are desired then an employer should have to show why Americans are not taking these jobs, I offer that a reality based look at such a thing would show that foreign labor is an attempt to cheat the free market and the forces that guide it. If they can show they offer a wage worth the job as to their profits then by all means allow seasonal workers to come here in an orderly identified fashion.

I'm all for an orderly fashion of seasonal or temporary workers, if that's required.

I do not believe a national ID is ESSENTIAL to that goal. It IS, however, ESSENTIAL TO THE GLOBALIST GOALS OF THE PUPPET MASTERS.

Strengthening the sense, truth, practice, emotional bondedness, cohesiveness, durability of neighborhoods and other communities would help

A proper ID would indeed promote all these things.

Not necessarily and certainly not inherently or automatically. Actually, it would tend to set factions much more against one another--yielding a context wherein brother turned against brother; parent against child; child against parent--turning them in for favors and even bread--just as Scripture predicts will occur.

Proper ID and an end to the what if arguments would help the courts alot. David westerfield trial is a great example. Prosecution negotiated with him about the location of danielle's body. If they took Death Penalty off the table he would tell them where the body was located. The jury NEVER got to hear that tidbit. Yet every waht if was presented even though it was known from the very begining he did what he did to that little girl. Research that trial a bit if you didn't catch it and you will see what I mean. Truth needs to be more involved in the court procedures and that would alot of the stalling that goes on.

Mostly, I have no significant disagreement with that paragraph.

Rehab is why so many reoffend. They were not punished. Look to Mousaui...poor little guy had a troubled childhooooooooooooddddd.....WHAHAAAAA... SO now we get to pay tax dollars for decades instead of being done with someone that has no right to walk among us.

Not my reality. And I really do NOT like it when you persist in putting your words in my fingers.

My reality is that the current truth is that INEFFECTIVE or pseudo-REHAB is not helpful to society--as well as a huge waste of resources.

Part of the Judeo/Christian heritage is that some humans are worth redeeming and at least some of them can be redeemed sufficiently to make it worthwhile for them to breathe air and take up space.

Implementing an effective rehab program seems to be a goal that the bureaucracy never quite lives up to or even near up to. Actually, there are some VOLUNTARY faith-based programs which do achieve a very statistically significant improvement of successful rehab because the individual's re-integration and assimilation back into society is maximized quite well and quite successfully. Perhaps you'd prefer to have the folks killed instead of allow them to be offered a voluntary faith-based rehab option?

IF--IF--IF that is your preference as it APPEARS to be--that folks for more or less any significant infraction are removed from the gene pool--then you will likely get your wish. Evidently, according to some reports, the NWO plan is to enable law enforcement personnel to make an on-the-spot determination of guilt. And, unless it's something truly minor like a ONE TIME, FIRST TIME parking ticket--shoot the offender dead on the spot. They expect to make things a lot cheaper and reduce crime markedly with that--in conjunction with the SLAG.

We can remove public officials via the vote. I agree it is time people wake up and do that vewry thing. Can we start with Kerry and Kennedy?

I'm certainly in favor of removing Scuba Teddy and Skerry and Shrillery ASAP. Some people even assert that in some sections of the country, the so called vote is a sham already. Given the MSM and other factors, the vote will likely become more and more of a sham in more and more areas of society the world over.

451 posted on 05/09/2006 2:50:23 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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