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YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE …Is coming national ID 'mark of the beast'?
WND ^ | May 5 06 | Ron Strom

Posted on 05/05/2006 7:21:22 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: melancton

I don't see how you come up with Revelation being about ancient Rome. No where in ancient Rome was a dictator able to create a living image of himself to be worshiped and Revelation alludes to the ability for people all over the world to see the same thing, at the same time. Mass communication is assumed in Revelation, that certainly doesn't fit with your ancient Rome scenario.


301 posted on 05/05/2006 9:09:28 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Luke21

I should have been more accurate and precise in my last reply . . . I agree that that mentality, style is far too present and common amongst a number of posters--too much so for my preference and comfort. I haven't tracked any one individual with any rigorousness about it. But my impression is that you are more right than I like to see. And it's more than a little annoying often enough.


302 posted on 05/05/2006 9:12:13 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: freepatriot32

You can be sure she would implement the mark ASAP once in office. She is so eager to be the last elected President she must virtually taste it on a daily basis.


303 posted on 05/05/2006 9:13:38 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: BlueStateDepression

On that note I would offer that a true ID is far more valuable and useful to the private sector than it is to the government.
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I hope you didn't think President Ike was farting out both ends in his farwell speech when he warned soberly to beware the military/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

Who do you think is gobbling up all the tax monies, windfall profits, . . . and some say the illegal drug monies to boot.


304 posted on 05/05/2006 9:17:16 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: right way right

As I recall, The Beast.

I hope those who say Believers will be gone by then are right!

And in any case, I trust and hope that I'm walking intimately with God and certainly that He keeps me in the palm of His hand regardless.

That's anyone's only hope.


305 posted on 05/05/2006 9:18:24 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: BlueStateDepression

There was a man in Europe in the 30's and 40's who got elected to office that would have loved to have had you as his propaganda and Security Minister.

"Papers please!"


306 posted on 05/05/2006 9:20:00 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Quix
Add to that the fact that Mexico's chief bureaucrats have all been SLAGGED . . .

Is this so they can come and go as they please into this country?
307 posted on 05/05/2006 9:28:09 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Isn't it fascinating that those who are best read and researched into such issues--most reality based--are considered the most looney by folks who have not looked into the facts and issues seriously.

Glad someone else is alert and watching, preparing.


308 posted on 05/05/2006 9:29:35 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: ladyinred

and we are not as monitored as one may feel.
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imho, yes and no.

Yes in terms of the amount of raw data stored at least temporarily. No in terms of people responsible for taking action scrutinizing all that MUCH MASS of data.

But the software assist agents are getting more sophisticated all the time. And acres of computers do a LOT of monitoring, nevertheless.


309 posted on 05/05/2006 9:32:21 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I haven't researched that question. I don't know. But no Mexicans seem to have much trouble coming and going more or less as they please. A chipped high level bureaucrat early adopter of the globalist agenda is likely to have his way smoothed considerably, I'd guess.


310 posted on 05/05/2006 9:34:36 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: Quix
I've never considered the Bible's prophetic predictions to be over the top in any respect.

Nor have I.

I think you've over analyzed what I wrote.

I was referring to the consequences of not having a National ID, unless you believe that such an instrument is the mark of the beast. I however do not so please don't put words in my mouth.

The U S is not the whole of the world and until I am required to carry an ID or Mark of a global "beast", I'm dismissing the claims made by this article.
311 posted on 05/06/2006 3:19:48 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

I think I understand.

It's probably already too late to do much about it. And, whatever was done would eventually fail. It is going to happen. It's only a matter of how soon.

The evidence is very abundant and some of it of very high quality.

This article is merely a drop in the bucket of evidence.

You may have a lot of faith in your denial of any problem on this score. That, too, will not stop the march of history in this matter.

In any case, you have been warned about what is coming. The rest is certainly up to you.


312 posted on 05/06/2006 3:29:31 AM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: Quix
Please tell me you are not some social scientist who hasn't much of a clue about human nature

And to me you wrote:

then you have more faith in such an illogical notion than I could ever begin to have.

Beware the lamb with the tongue of a serpant.

I shall pray for your humility.
313 posted on 05/06/2006 3:34:31 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Prayers for my humility are actually quite welcome.

God has had a big project on that going on for some time, now.

Perhaps He would set one up for you. Should I ask Him in your behalf?


314 posted on 05/06/2006 3:36:59 AM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Alas, . . . hey . . . if my stridency offended, I'm sorry. I can get worked up about the issue--especially when some folks REALLLLLLLLLY sound totally uninformed and wholesale narrowly rigidly biased against what I consider to be super abundant evidence and clear logic.

I do realize that it's somewhat easy from some perspectives still, to cast aspersions on my sort of perspective on the topic.


315 posted on 05/06/2006 3:39:13 AM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: Quix
Perhaps He would set one up for you. Should I ask Him in your behalf?

I always welcome sponsers, but be aware that I have come into the light long ago.

What I wouldn't give to be a charter member.
316 posted on 05/06/2006 3:44:57 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Glad to read it.

The Greats of The Bible are said in The Bible to have longed for or enviously wished or some such that they could be born in our end times era.

Evidently they knew something we don't.

I'm ready for the first elevator UP whenever that is scheduled to be!


317 posted on 05/06/2006 11:48:01 AM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: BlueStateDepression

Banks and other PRIVATE SECTOR businesses/groups are NOT what the BoR is protectiong us against, although I have my issues with that privacy-violating as well.

The Constitution limits what GOVERNMENT can do. The National ID and all its extrapolations are violations of the BoR. So in this case its the government's usage of such technology that needs to be proscribed.

You're the one who uses the typical liberal straw-man argument. You've created a straw man and went after that instead of what I said.

I have no problem with isolationism. I said earlier I agree with a lot of what Buchanan says. Deal with it.

America first, last, always, and ONLY.


318 posted on 05/08/2006 7:29:44 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: BlueStateDepression

I never called you any names, I made observations.

You're the one who's adopted these labels by your own words and attitudes.


319 posted on 05/08/2006 7:31:01 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: Alex Murphy

***The site asks visitors to sign an online petition vowing not to vote for any candidate who does not commit to repealing the Real ID Act.***

Never mind that the day will happen when God wants it to, not based on a petition drive.

Come Lord Jesus.


320 posted on 05/08/2006 7:31:54 AM PDT by Gamecock (Never confuse your Justification with your Sanctification)
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