Posted on 05/02/2006 11:55:13 AM PDT by Marxbites
The “real Marxists” I’ve known have been against private ownership, religion, etc. and advocated an all powerful centralized government. But central to their personalities, it always seems, is the tendency to violate their own principles in order to gain some form of social dominance over others. Give any Marxist access to real power, and he will transform into a demagogue with leftist tendencies.
Yep, Castro, Chavez etc...
Have they been insisting on a border-security-only bill, or have they, like the President, been demanding a "comprehensive reform" that legalizes illegals here in some way, shape, or form? If the latter, then they'd have to know that that's the whole sticking point that's preventing any progress. See tagline.
Would you happen to have a link to any of these recommendations by them? I've poked around their site, but didn't see anything where they simply advocated border security as a stand-alone measure. If, as you say, they've been trying to get it enacted, then the first thing they'd need to do is make it clear that whatever the merits or demerits of particular legalization plans, they can not be on the table until the border is secured first. If there's anything in their publications that promote such a view, then I'd definitely be willing to revise my views of them. Otherwise, I'd find it hard to believe that they're serious.
Castro and Chavez are not constrained by democracy or the rule of law to conceal their Marxism. They admit it, and in fact are in positions where they can allow full blown Marxism to infect their societies. So we don’t have to sit here and think, gosh they’re not Marxist but they sure do act like it. With those guys there’s no doubt.
Understandably, a Marxist Jimmy Carter or a Marxist Bill Clinton would by necessity conceal their Marxism. They would not want people to remember any marching they did in Moscow in the 60’s. Marxism is a system which, due to its inherent weakness, can only take hold via deception and/or coercion. The tough part is that the deception is often internal to the individual. This leads to the abandonment of the label “Marxist” or “communist” even as Marxist ideas are valued and put into practice. The curse of cultural Marxism.
Thanks for the informative reply.
You are very welcome re: post 86.
That was just what I knew to be false off the top of my head and could confirm before posted.
The entire article is full of similar half-truths used to connect dots that just don't connect.
This is the (I believe) most updated version. It is also the plan that is frequently misrepresented as the CFR calling for open borders and the end to national sovereignty because they use scary terms like Trinational and north American community. What they are asking for if you read it through it is an electronic ID system in cooperation with Canada and Mexico that would prevent passage into or out of all three countries or between any two countries without this updated electronic ID. Its beyond anything anybody else is asking for. If anything its scary border security not lax border security. because it would control American citizens leaving the country.
When I get back from lunch I'll find the homeland security document in question the (just the U.S. part) of the same basic plan. Trinational Call for a North American Economic and Security Community by 2010
And Venona, no matter what kind of guy McCarthy was, vindicates his charges that commies occupied the Whitehouse, which Alger Hiss did, who also stood beside FDR when they fed Poland live to Stalin.
As for the CFR, they are largely progressive, in bed with big biz, and have put their members in office almost 100% of the time, ex-RWR, since WWII - both the presidencies and the cabinet as all of Ronnie's were, and I'd bet a C-note that he was counseled to select who he did for his cabinet, or he would have vetoed even more Dem legislation.
Their membership has doubled to 4000 in ten years.
I also disagree with your assessment that this doesn't represent an plan for amalgamating our three countries. It very much looks like that, and that's also disconcerting on a number of levels. It's not just words like "community" and "trinational". The actual proposals mentioned involve a significant integration of the continent. This is exactly how the EU got started.
Reagan was the real McCoy. He never sold out. Any association between Reagan and the CFR serves history primarily in that it makes the CFR look better.
We would prefer to reveal once and for all the malicious actors within our government and expose their wicked deeds, but the bad guys are making it difficult so we will have to continue our present methods of thwarting their anti-American plans.
So Barry Goldwater is an idiot then?
Barry Goldwater was concerned about the CFR. I understand the Senator's concerns - he was fighting the cold war and the Republican had over-reached with the McCarthy hearings - then you get a couple of elections where both nominees were members of this group.
But Goldwater's concerns were overstated. He was opposing international cooperation and thus lots of people, not just the CFR had criticisms. :like Ronald Reagan, Goldwater was not ready to be President in 1968.
But again, I have criticisms of the CFR too - I'm not suggesting we follow their advice but only that we stop blaming them for everything so we can look at real causes.
Nope. They are the heart and center of all unlimited Govt that they, and those that created them for their own selfish interests against the people, have pushed for for nearly 100years.
You should google up a few of the many sites that name names and show so many connections with the hard left and even our enemies.
This is an organization the Progressives created to propagandize their own agenda with under the cover of a seemingly innocuous think tank.
Did you see Declassified on History re: WWI last night?
If you don't think the CFR is just another brick in the long incremental institutionalization of the progressive/collectivist agenda wall, you have another thing coming.
Really, read up at mises.org about banking, currency, statism/collectivism, the New Deal, the Progressive era and our constitution of liberty they endeavor so hard to return to us in the ideas freedom.
And the posted article bears more than cursory a reading.
PS - there was no over-reaching - only lies from the commies and Rats and obfuscation from their fellow travelers.
No wonder McCarthy was so exasperated, every commie loving Rat piled on him. Only decades of media & academe cooperation demonizing him lead you to say so.
The pri@k that told him "Sir, have you no decency?!" should be tarred, feathered & hung, a regular latter day Clooney he was. I spit in his face.
>>Nope. They are the heart and center of all unlimited Govt that they, and those that created them for their own selfish interests against the people, have pushed for for nearly 100years.<<
If there are in fact other forces pushing toward collectivism, then blaming a small group of Americans and saying that is the end of the problem actually distracts from looking at the broader picture....
OK, they are the heart of the progressive movement back to it's very beginnings, which agemda was the direct copying of the policies of the euro-dictators whose powers they envied. Get it?
We copied the very policies that brought rise to the euro-dictators and which Hayek warned the world of to no avail. Exactly why Keynes found favor here after the Brits sh@tcanned him, which allowed their economy to revive while we languished under FDR's interventionist Keynesianism for the whole decade, and still do from the unconstitutional behemoth he helped create.
The non-public educrat and true revisons of history are underway.
All the hugest and worst trusts help fund the CFR. Why should they conscience even ONE Marxist among them? No real Americans would.
You gotta watch this folks!
http://prisonplanet.com/video/alex_arrested.WMV
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