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To: SupplySider
Excerpted from the response to a question about the effects of MDMA by the moderator of the neurology and neurosurgery forum of Cleveland Clinic online:

MDMA ("ectasy") is a high potency amphetamine compound that can cause amongst other types of permanent brain damage: brain hemorrhages, stroke, psychosis, hallucinations, a paranoid state, and irreversible cognitive impairment, in addition to its extreme addiction potential. In short, over time (and sometimes it's a short amount of time), it can turn your brain into toast. It can also result in irreversible damage to the heart and cardiovascular system. Amphetamine addiction can be an especially stubborn problem, and only a very motivated patient placed in a comprehensive, inpatient chemical dependency treatment program is likely to succeed in escaping the ravages of this especially dangerous drug. Any sane person would obviously advise anyone using it to stop, but this is obviously not an easy thing to do.

42 posted on 02/12/2008 9:28:03 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

Wow, Supplysider,

I can’t believe you’re still replying to these after two whole years, but since you are, it would be helpful if you learned something about MDMA first before you continue to spread misinformation you quickly googled.

http://thedea.org/neurotoxicity.html

Read it - all of it. Get a clue before you run your mouth. Check out his sources for yourself if you’re skeptical. The disgraced George Ricaurte might be of particular interest for you to learn about - on your own research, go ahead! I think the real tragedy here is that even though Ricaurte’s work has been outdated, discredited by the scientific community, and/or voluntarily retracted, the damage he has caused still spreads rapidly through word of mouth by ignorant people such as yourself who believe everything the media tells them. And that comes to little surprise. What will sell more papers, what will attract more readers, what is more likely to be printed near the beginning of the paper (and more likely to be printed at all, for that matter), “ECSTASY CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE” or “Flawed Ecstasy Study Retracted”?

As for your comments on the abuse of MDMA - MDMA is probably the most difficult popular recreational drug to “abuse.” This is a drug that is well known to be extremely blissful and euphoric, is becoming increasingly cheap, and is one of the most readily drugs available - it should therefore have generations of junkies that use on a daily basis, right? But it doesn’t! MDMA isn’t physically addictive, “ecstasy rehab” is virtually unheard of, and most of the users are young people, suggesting that most people grow out of it - AND ALMOST EVERYONE DOES. Because of the way MDMA releases serotonin, many users can’t match the same intensity of the high two nights in a row, most can’t match that intensity three nights in a row, and almost nobody can match it four nights in a row. After a couple days of continual MDMA use, you can’t get high on it past a light buzz (if you’re taking dirty ‘ecstasy’ pills, commonly adulterated with methamphetamine or other drugs that CAN be used on a daily basis, you might be able to get high a couple days in a row, but that won’t be attributed to the MDMA content). People clue into this very fast and start spacing out their uses, and while they might be able to get away with using once every 1-2 weeks for a while, pretty soon even then the quality of the high begins to deteriorate. Usually even people who space their use out by a month or two each time will eventually abandon the drug, because the quality of the high is no longer what it used to be. Finally, there is what is known as the “loss of magic” with MDMA, in which the drug loses it’s specialness and even abstaining for years at a time does not necessarily reverse that. So sure, plenty of people attempt to abuse MDMA, but it doesn’t work very well, and it doesn’t last very long before they quit voluntarily, usually forever.

As for Amy Fisher - she’s an idiot and a liar and has no one and nothing to blame for what she did than herself. Ecstasy didn’t make her shoot someone in the head - ridiculous.


43 posted on 06/07/2008 2:26:12 AM PDT by a999
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