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Pit bull to return to breeder Saturday
The Leader-Herald ^ | April 19, 2006 | JASON SUBIK

Posted on 04/26/2006 9:14:27 AM PDT by Wristpin

GLOVERSVILLE - Michael Ward, the owner of the 2-year-old pit bull that attacked a small bichon frise March 31, will be taking the dog back to its breeder Saturday to fulfill his court obligations to remove the dog from Gloversville without having to euthanize him.

"I called [the breeder] and he didn't want the dog to go to someone he didn't know and he wanted to make sure the dog had a safe home," Ward said. "Everybody thinks that he's a vicious dog because of the breed. Everybody is being discriminating against it. [The breeder] breeds them and he knows better than that." Ward said he plans to meet the breeder halfway between New York state and Virginia. Ward is giving the dog, named Blitz, back to his breeder, but is not charging the breeder any money.

"I had two years with the dog that I wouldn't want to trade for anything," Ward said.

On April 7, Gloversville City Court Judge Vincent DeSantis ordered Ward to study alternatives to euthanasia for his dog after the judge determined the dog was too dangerous.

Ward said the dog had been neutered prior to the incident and a microchip has been implanted in the dog.


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To: kanawa
btw the way I reject your use of term 'powerdogs'

Bwahaha... Yep, I know I feel right superior myself for owning pits. Can't get my lips off the mirror long enough to go to work some days.

(That, for the rest of yous, was sarcasm.)

141 posted on 04/26/2006 6:36:22 PM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
Containment ain't cuttin' it. The people who contain their dogs aren't the problem. It's the people who think their sweet Rotts and pits, who would never hurt a soul, don't need it -- or people who have nothing to loose if they do, as in drug dealers and macho-types who don't own a pot to piss in. Those dogs KILL people. DEAD. Obviously, the penalties for not containing dogs haven't been serious enough. That's probably because for most breeds, ultra-strict containment enforcement is silly because most breeds don't have the capacity to kill people or the track record of having done so regularly. But for some reason, doggy profiling just drives certain people as wild as profiling for potential terrorists drives Liberals wild.
142 posted on 04/26/2006 6:42:08 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny
The thing is, a definition has to be attempted for this problem to be solved.

The definition can made using the quantitative measure of weight.

Harsh preemptive punishment for creating the risk in the first place is better

Which is exactly what I suggested.

And most important, containment is more essential with some breeds than with others. Plain and simple. This "regardless of breed" mantra is patently ridiculous.

Containment is a plain and simple principle of responsible dog-ownership regardless of breed.
There are millions of dog-bites each year. They are all serious and unacceptable.
If that attitude, in your mind, makes me seem ridiculous, then so be it.

143 posted on 04/26/2006 6:42:56 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa
There are millions of dog-bites each year. They are all serious and unacceptable. If that attitude, in your mind, makes me seem ridiculous, then so be it.

My mom got bitten by a dog this year and her hand swelled up like a cantaloupe. It was a little dog that lunged at her from a shopping cart. Serious and unacceptable? Well ... not really, just one of those things. My mom shrugged it off because she's a sensible woman who actually has the courage and confidence to differentiate and rate things in terms of their significance. If it had been a pit or a Rott that lunged at here, you seriously tell me that it would have been equally serious and unacceptable. Yes, that does make you seem ridiculous.

144 posted on 04/26/2006 6:48:03 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny
It's the people who think their sweet Rotts and pits, who would never hurt a soul, don't need it -- or people who have nothing to loose if they do, as in drug dealers and macho-types who don't own a pot to piss in.

That is what I am saying, however. Law enforcement doesn't need to go after the law-abiders; their job is to address the delinquents.

And I disagree about not applying restraint laws across the board. In my particular neighborhood, the unrestrained dogs run the mutt gamut, and each and every one of them is a nuisance. Don't care whether it's a poodle or a pit, I have the right to not be assaulted by someone's property if I am on public grounds. I contain my property. People who don't do the same should pay.

145 posted on 04/26/2006 6:50:31 PM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
I'm close to agreement with you, except that there's a difference between a nuisance and a deadly threat.

Don't care whether it's a poodle or a pit ...

I do. And people who cause waves where waves don't need to be caused, as in going after errant poodle owners with the same ferocity as errant Rottweiler owners, are making the the problem worse, not better.

146 posted on 04/26/2006 7:02:45 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny
If it had been a pit or a Rott that lunged at here, you seriously tell me that it would have been equally serious and unacceptable.

Ah, the great hypothetical.
Maybe yes, maybe no, it's really impossible to say.
Larger dog have the potential to inflict more damage.
That is not to say they necessarily will.
One thing I do know is that I have been bit on the hand by a 'pit bull' and it never swelled up like a cantaloupe.

147 posted on 04/26/2006 7:07:22 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Finny
And people who cause waves where waves don't need to be caused, as in going after errant poodle owners with the same ferocity as errant Rottweiler owners, are making the the problem worse, not better.

Demanding responsible ownership from all dog owners makes the problem worse?
Incredible!

148 posted on 04/26/2006 7:13:21 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa
Ah, the great hypothetical. Maybe yes, maybe no, it's really impossible to say.

Ridiculouser and ridiculouser!

It takes courage and toughness to make hard calls and unpleasant distinctions ... maybe the urge to have a "powerdog," a term you object to, is compensation for something lacking.

149 posted on 04/26/2006 7:16:52 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny

Pit Bull breaks chain and mauls 7 year old girl...Stupified Owners "felt bad".


Pit bull attacks 7-year-old D.M. girl
TOM ALEX
REGISTER STAFF WRITER


April 24, 2006



A 7-year-old girl suffered serious bites from a pit bull terrior on Sunday.

Des Moines police said Kiera Odell-Manuel was bitten on the scalp, wrist and left ear at about 6 p.m. when the dog next door was able to break its chain and attack the girl, police said.

The dog, owned by Patricia Knox, was taken to the City Animal Care and Control Center. No citations were written to Knox but police say the investigation is continuing. The dog was insured as required by law and was current on other requirements, except it was not confined behind a tall fence, police said.

Animal control officers were called to the 1200 block of Buchanan Street Sunday evening. Sgt. Todd Dykstra said the owners "felt bad" about what happened and helped officers collar the dog for a trip to the animal shelter.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060424/NEWS/60424013/1001/SPORTS08


150 posted on 04/26/2006 7:18:24 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Wristpin; kanawa
Yes, but remember, had this dog been a poodle instead of a pit bull, it would have been just as unacceptable and serious, and therefore owners of errant poodles and chihuahuas should feel exactly the same pressure of enforcement as owners of pit bulls/breeds, Rottweilers, and other "powerdogs." That'll really make the average American take such enforcement seriously and support it wholeheartedly! So what if it's only pretend that a poodle poses the same potential danger as a pit bull? IT'S THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING, DAMMIT! NO DOGGY PROFILING!!!
151 posted on 04/26/2006 7:25:05 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny
maybe the urge to have a "powerdog," a term you object to, is compensation for something lacking

That is something you will never know.
But here is something that is certain,
your personal attack marks the end of our conversation tonight.

Woof,
k

152 posted on 04/26/2006 7:28:30 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Wristpin
The dog was insured as required by law and was current on other requirements, except it was not confined behind a tall fence, police said.

A "tall fence" won't work. My wife and dogs were attacked by a pit that jumped a seven foot fence and came roaring after them. Had it not been for a 250 pound neighbor who grabbed the dog by the neck, he would have killed all three dogs and mauled by wife.

153 posted on 04/26/2006 7:29:22 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: kanawa

Fair enough. It was, believe it or not, kindly meant ... in hopes that you may examine your motives more closely. Gimmicks are a red flag, and it's a good idea to examine them in ourselves as well as to be aware of them in others.


154 posted on 04/26/2006 7:31:14 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: sinkspur

Des Moines city law requires a Pit Bull to be in a enclosed cage when outside. At least the city mandates that pit owners have $100K in insurance.

Pretty girl...a damn shame! Video here:

http://www.whotv.com/Global/category.asp?C=51406&nav=menu100_3_6


155 posted on 04/26/2006 7:33:28 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: sinkspur

I hope kanawa, maxwell, and others see your post. Reinforcement that enforcement needs to be breed and breed/mix specific, as not all dogs are created equal and not all vicious dogs pose equal danger.


156 posted on 04/26/2006 7:34:33 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: sinkspur
I have never understood how one single experience makes people so darned stubborn that they won't listen to ANY facts that might possibly change their mind.

Kind of reminds me of people who once vacationed in Europe and now are the experts.

157 posted on 04/26/2006 7:35:24 PM PDT by RushCrush (Just another day in liberal hell.)
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To: Finny
Finny, honestly I am not trying to insult you- are you really that sensitice?

I'm merely proposing an opposing view.....now something tells me I'm onto something based your emotional reactions!

158 posted on 04/26/2006 7:36:33 PM PDT by RushCrush (Just another day in liberal hell.)
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To: Finny
There is a problem with 'power dogs' (your term) that are in the hands of the wrong PEOPLE.

Why is THAT so hard to admit?

The mere fact that bulldogs, one of the most powerful breeds out there, are no longer such a danger because of the way HUMANS have treated them over the years.

159 posted on 04/26/2006 7:38:16 PM PDT by RushCrush (Just another day in liberal hell.)
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To: RushCrush
Well, gosh ... it seems to me that you certainly implied that my fear of these dogs was because I was dumb enough to fall prey to mere propaganda in the media but that otherwise it was entirely unfounded. Yeah, I think that's kind of insulting, though I'm not breaking out the Kleenex or anything.
160 posted on 04/26/2006 7:40:07 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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