Duke rape accuser's records demanded

MSNBC ^ | Updated: 4:51 p.m. ET April 24, 2006 | staff

[Perdogg]

DURHAM, N.C. - The attorney for one of two Duke lacrosse players charged with raping a stripper demanded on Monday that prosecutors turn over the accuser’s medical, legal and education records for use in attacking her credibility.

Kirk Osborn, who represents player Reade Seligmann, said the material will provide “rich sources of information for impeaching the complaining witnesses.”

Osborn also asked a judge to hold a pretrial hearing to “determine if the complaining witness is even credible enough to provide reliable testimony.”

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

The Newsweek chick said Nifong said [paraphrased] "What would you say if I had a witness who saw her arrive sober, took a drink and then blah, blah, blah.."

I assumed he was talking about that stellar witness-Kim.

[Neverforget01]

we discussed that very night that he had to be wrong.

Yup--we figured it out days ago..I wonder if these folks need some help! ;-)

[Howlin]

Greta, at the beginning of her show tonight, stated that NiFong said Crystal was given a date rape drug and he has proof.

She was wrong on everything else, so until I hear that from somebody else, I'll assume it not true.

[Neverforget01]

Did you hear the mayor of one of the towns those boys live in say something like, "When this case is over, we're going to set about getting their reputations back."

This is a beautiful family that has touched so many lives...There are a lot of angry folks.

[Mad-Margaret]

And doesn't it get you when the lefties wail about how Crystal and Kim will get their reputations back?

I mean, jeesh! they are criminals! they are strippers! escorts! Nothing here happened to "ruin" their reputations.

[El Gran Salseron]

So, you flamed muawhatever and got the thread pulled, huh? :-)

[snarkytart]

I understand the cabby is off on time with second call.

He remembers the time on the second call as being later, but, so what.
People have memory lapses on time.
The defense have cell phone records and a computerized cabby log, atm receipts and the card swipe at the dorm.

I think all of Rita's blow hard crap tonight suggesting this guy us being paid off is beyond disgusting.
She thinks she broke the whole case open...only not.


Add this to the fact that the big news today about Nifong suggesting there was a date rape drug, had nothing to do with a TOX report but a "witness" who can verify the AV came sober, left incoherent, and was given a drink at the party.
This was said to Newsweek...A MONTH AGO by Nifong.
Obviously he was talking about the now discredited Kim.

The media is just incompetent.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

A fitting punishment:
Nifong, Crystal & Kim spending the next 30 years together in the same cell.

[Jrabbit]

I almost didn't watch after she said that.....glad I did, though. Duke has a beautiful campus.

Kroger parking lot was kind of bland, though.

Does Bisseybody live on the side where the stairs are?

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

The Newsweek chick said Nifong said [paraphrased] "What would you say if I had a witness who saw her arrive sober, took a drink and then blah, blah, blah.."

I assumed he was talking about that stellar witness-Kim.

I'm glad the Newsweak reporterette finally explained what the "hint" was she had been talking about.

It seems clear that Nifong was talking about witness testimony, and not a toxicology report. Maybe Nifong has a toxicology report somewhere hidden in his back pocket, but he was not alluding to such a report in making his "hint" to Newsweak.

[Neverforget01]

The media is just incompetent

no kidding!

BOR just had a DR on who said the AV would have had to consent to the blood test!!

[Alia]

Okay, I now know which thread got pulled.

[Dukie07]

I have such a huge problem with the "date rape drug" being administerd by the players theory. Aside from the fact, as discussed before, that it would leave no recollection of the event, can you honestly believe that you would administer that drug with 30-40 people present (read: witnesses)? It just makes no sense to me. Were they all in on the plan???

[Alia]

Sharpton: Even if she was just a dancer and a stripper, she was doing a legal service

huh? As opposed to Other "Kinds" of Services?

[don'tbedenied]

"Did you all catch Susan Filan (before the Newsweek reporter) saying that she doesn't think this case will go to trial because Crystal will be overwhelmed and will not testify?"
Prediction:
It looks like we're getting close to the end game. The facts are closing in on Nifong and the AV. The AV makes up another story about being scared, refuses to testify, goes on to get book offers and appear at race baiting political rallies. MSM writes sympathetic crap about the damage done to this hard working gal.

Case is dismissed of course. Nifong is in a harder spot, does he hold on until next Monday or does he too take the route of blaming the evil defense lawyers and dismiss now. AV may force his hand.

No lawsuits are ever filed, AV knows she'll be crushed in a civil suit, defendants just want to go on with their lives.

Meanwhile Duke as a PR move in Durham hands out unbelievably harsh punishment for the lacrosse guys, based on the drinking, stripppers and racial slurs. Lacrosse program is suspended or outright killed.

One of the accused also writes a book that is well received. And the drive by media? You know, no apologies just move on to the next story.

[GAgal]

It seemed to me Carlson said there were five non-lacrosse players at the party, and Nifong was aware of them, yet didn't ask for their DNA or include their pictures in the line-up. Why would he do that?

[Mad-Margaret]

Don't strip! Scholarship!

[snarkytart]

better yet...I wonder who is paying him?.......I smell a civil lawsuit coming....they think these boys parents have deep pockets....I just read this lawyers bio and he likes to go after big corporations for the *little guy

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Well i think this is a matter of principal to the players and their parents. This attorney will be no match, and I feel he will never be able to get a settlement..no way in hell.

If Mangum does not want to be questioned in a criminal trial where there are strict rules on evidence and scope, she will never testify in a civil case with relaxed rules of evidence. I think she just wants this to go away.

[Peach]

Why was it pulled? Freepmail me if you have to.

[Peach]

Well, I should have said, I know it got pulled from a flame war, but I don't know who the troll was that got into it with a freeper.