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Second dancer questions doubts about accuser in Duke lacrosse case.
News & Observer ^ | today | Allen Breed

Posted on 04/21/2006 7:13:24 AM PDT by Rodney King

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To: Alia

Guess the Natalee Holloway story is flaming out, so they are trying to fan the flames for a new one.


41 posted on 04/21/2006 8:34:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: shezza
No wonder the criminals just seem to keep winning when those who are caught are given a tiny slap on the wrist, a wink, and are right back out there continuing to perpetrate.

Exactly right, shezza.

42 posted on 04/21/2006 8:35:01 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Rodney King

A second dancer? Was she out on the grassy knoll?


43 posted on 04/21/2006 8:36:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: twigs
Disagreed.

I think lil Kim saw the OPPORTUNITY to focus upon this as a means to cover her butt (AFTER all the hua went public), and lay some far-flung reach to "self-righteousness indignation". It was merely another opportunity for her to try to use something in her own best self-interest in defense.

44 posted on 04/21/2006 8:38:47 AM PDT by Alia
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To: dfwgator

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45 posted on 04/21/2006 8:39:43 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Rodney King
"For that much money, my guess is that they were supposed to do more than just dance."

I haven't really heard any comments about the fact that KY Jelly was among the accuser's items left in the bathroom. It was listed as one of the items confiscated in a warranted search. Why would a "dancer" need KY Jelly lubricant?

46 posted on 04/21/2006 8:58:52 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: saganite

Smear campaign? Hah! This is an all out race baiting black bigot hatefest being ginned up for democrat empowerment in the fall elections. This will become 'a national scandal' that the BM (big media) will push as they are instructed to do for democrat base race baiting. This is all just getting started.


47 posted on 04/21/2006 9:44:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: twigs

This is no doubt true, the racial comment is driving ALL of this. When something like that is said in that tone, it is an attack on 30 million people, not just one.
I am inclined to believe that that players did something, although I'm not sure the right ones were picked out. But I will readily admit this is due to my own bias, because I don't know the facts.


48 posted on 04/21/2006 9:47:17 AM PDT by Jay Gould
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To: TommyDale
Why would a "dancer" need KY Jelly lubricant?

You mean your don't believe they are dancers? ;)

49 posted on 04/21/2006 9:48:53 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Rodney King

Now we know exactly why Kim needed her own lawyer.


50 posted on 04/21/2006 10:29:31 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Howlin; Locomotive Breath; investigateworld
"Although she would not talk extensively about the party, she confirmed some of what the other dancer told police -- including that the women initially left the party after one of the players threatened to sodomize the women with a broomstick.

The players' attorneys have said their clients were angry and demanded a refund when the women stopped dancing, but Roberts disputed that.

Remember also, that the neighbor places little princess on the back porch from appproximately 1220 to 1230. "They ripped themselves off when they started hollering about a broomstick," she said.

The accuser told police that the women were coaxed back into the house with an apology, at which point they were separated.

HOLY CRAP HOWLIN - this is getting as close to a smoking gun statement on the behalf of Seligmann as one can get. We know that they stopped dancing at approximately 1203 hours. Initially - they LEFT! Therefore, no rape. But, once they left, how long were they OUTSIDE before they went back in? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? If they were outside 10 minutes, we have Seligmann calling for a cab at approximately 1214. That would give him and two other men 6 minutes to grab her and pull her into the bathroom for a "30 minute assault" before the cab arrived to transport Seligmann from the party! The longer they were OUTSIDE, and because of the time lines here, the more difficult anyone, and this includes that numbnuts Nifong, is going to be able to possibly believe that any rape could have occurred, much less any involvement by Seligmann.

Remember also that the neighbor has stated that little princess was on the back porch from approximately 1220 to 1230.

51 posted on 04/21/2006 10:35:17 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Enterprise
But, once they left, how long were they OUTSIDE before they went back in

Exactly.

They photos ended initially at 12:04; how long would it take to dress and get out to the car and, if it's true, be coaxed back inside.

Which brings up the question of WHY they would go back in if they felt threatned.

And what I am wondering is, did they really leave and Crystal alone (as Bissey said) went back to look for her shoe, which accounts for her pictures LOCKED OUT OF THE HOUSE at 12:30 a.m.?

52 posted on 04/21/2006 10:48:29 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Enterprise

The only way that their timeline would work for rape is if they never went outside until they left. But here we have both of them saying that went outside for a time and went back inside.

And if they were upset, why would Kim stay inside around the players all that time?

If she didn't want to be involved, why didn't she just leave?

If she thought something was happening to Crystal, why didn't she tell the police in her first phone call.


53 posted on 04/21/2006 10:50:53 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

The grand jury needs to take a hard look at Nifong. This stinks to high hell.


54 posted on 04/21/2006 10:59:17 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Enterprise

I think the next Grand Jury might be a new one, but I could be wrong.


55 posted on 04/21/2006 11:00:03 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Put on your DUKELAX ping list old sport


56 posted on 04/21/2006 11:35:11 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: AntiGuv

OK I admit I skimmed the article and missed that part. In fact now I'm taking your word for it. Pretty stupid to email something like that but it will help the defense as well.


57 posted on 04/21/2006 12:16:49 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Howlin

I think that's right. Still, the attorneys for the students should file a complaint about governmental abuse by the DA. Grand Juries are tasked with looking into operations by Governmental agencies, and this episode is something that needs scrutinizing. There appears to be reckless disregard of evidence and unnecessary public comments during an investigation.


58 posted on 04/21/2006 12:34:54 PM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

They probably had no idea......they just hired "dancers"......


59 posted on 04/21/2006 7:00:08 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Jay Gould
This is no doubt true, the racial comment is driving ALL of this. When something like that is said in that tone, it is an attack on 30 million people, not just one.

Sorry but what a crock. I abhor the n-word but I can't seem to get away from it - that is car after car or houses with open windows blasting n-word-laced songs. Yes it is the ultimate swear word to say to a black person but if Kim sayed "white boys" would that be an attack on 200 million "white folks?"

I am inclined to believe that that players did something, although I'm not sure the right ones were picked out. But I will readily admit this is due to my own bias, because I don't know the facts.

I'm gonna sound snippy but since you don't know the facts how can you possibly say with any degree of certainty that the players did something? The two charged seem to have strong alibis (particuarly the one that wasn't even there!) so even if something did happen the DA can't just do some perpetual do-overs by having the accuser go back to the "picture board" and pick a couple others plus earn a bonus round by choosing a "third man".

60 posted on 04/21/2006 8:28:26 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Reid...Kerry...Rockefeller. They were unable to attend due to a prior lack of commitment." - Cheney)
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