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Expectant mom dies in collision on Easter Sunday
Birmingham News ^ | 4/17/06 | KIM BRYAN and JEREMY GRAY

Posted on 04/19/2006 8:15:37 AM PDT by Full Court

Expectant mom dies in collision

Monday, April 17, 2006
KIM BRYAN and JEREMY GRAY
News staff writers

A 27-year-old expectant mother died in a head-on collision Sunday on U.S. 31 in Shelby County, authorities said.

Sarah Porter, 27, of Jemison died in the 11:20 a.m. accident, said Sgt. Tim Sartain, Alabama State Troopers spokesman. She was six months pregnant, said Doug Ballard Jr., Shelby County coroner.

Her husband, 29-year-old Heath Porter, remained in critical condition at UAB Hospital Sunday night, said Bob Shepherd, hospital spokesman.

Marco Guarviola, 26, address unknown, a passenger in the 2003 Chevrolet pickup truck that collided with the Porters' 2002 Volkswagen, was also taken to UAB Hospital, where he was listed as critical Sunday night, Shepherd said.

Manuel Valdez, 22, address unknown, who was also in the truck, was taken to Princeton Baptist Medical Center. Efforts to reach a hospital spokesman Sunday night were unsuccessful.

The accident, which occurred in the Saginaw community just south of Alabaster, is under investigation, Sartain said. He declined to provide details.

Several serious accidents have occurred at the site, Sartain said.

"I don't understand why so many accidents have occurred at this particular location," Sartain said. "Traffic is moderately heavy, but the street is a straight, two-lane stretch."

Accident fatalities are always sad, Sartain said.

"But this happening on Easter Sunday is such a tragedy," he said.

E-mail: kbryan@bhamnews.com


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KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; immigrantlist
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To: brazzaville

A better question is: Why does a story about a car accident have to be yet another illegal immigration thread?

Maybe we can hijack the Mac versus PC threads and make them about immigration too. That would be fun. We could argue about ~virtual~ borders.


401 posted on 04/20/2006 8:27:36 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: brazzaville
Actually, this thread is rolling along the way it is because you and a few others bristled up at the suggestion that these two young men with Hispanic names and no known addresses might be illegal and/or to blame for the accident.

Wrong-o.

Full Court did not ~suggest~ it. She stated it as fact by adding it to the headline.

All I wanted was Full Court to provide a source for adding "Mexican immigrant" to the headline when no such information existed in the article.

402 posted on 04/20/2006 8:36:46 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RMDupree
Good morning.
"You're honestly more likely to be killed in a wreck with legals than illegals any day of the week."

What a BS straw man statement. I'm sure that makes the victims feel better about their losses.

Michael Frazier
403 posted on 04/20/2006 8:42:25 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: RMDupree
Good morning.
"I can barely see with all of the straw men in here."

"You're honestly more likely to be killed in a wreck with legals than illegals any day of the week."

Do you mean like the above?

Michael Frazier
404 posted on 04/20/2006 8:56:02 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville

Michael, with all due respect...

That is not a straw man argument.

The issue here is Full Court's inability to provide a source.

Take that up with her.


405 posted on 04/20/2006 9:00:27 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: brazzaville; RMDupree; Ramius
What a BS straw man statement. I'm sure that makes the victims feel better about their losses.

Not BS at all. It's statistically verifiable.

According to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration one in four traffic accidents in 2004 involved someone driving with an invalid (or no) license.

That's 25% invalid/no license, and 75% valid license.

And don't even try to tell me that ALL of that 25% were "illegal immigrants."

406 posted on 04/20/2006 9:08:05 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (This tagline has expired.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thank you, Corin.


407 posted on 04/20/2006 9:13:04 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RMDupree
de nada
408 posted on 04/20/2006 9:14:36 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (This tagline has expired.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

:-)

I can't help but feel that folks are being deliberately obtuse when trying to defend Full Court.

You just can't look at this thread with any sort of intellectual honesty and think for one second that she has a leg to stand on.


409 posted on 04/20/2006 9:17:47 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RMDupree
Good morning.

I don't remember much anti-Cuban feeling during the Elian tragedy, though there was plenty of anti-Communist and anti-clinton sentiment.

If you hadn't posted to this thread, the thread would have gone away.

You, and PYW, Ramius and a few others have fed the anger and you are the ones calling people bigots.

I don't know any of you so I don't know where you stand, but I am guessing that you and your merry band of friends show up on threads like this and attack Freepers.

If I'm wrong, don't bother pointing it out.

Michael Frazier
410 posted on 04/20/2006 9:28:56 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
I don't remember much anti-Cuban feeling during the Elian tragedy,

Oh, there was plenty. Check my bookmarks for some old Elian threads and you'll see for yourself.

If you hadn't posted to this thread, the thread would have gone away.

No, it would have become another one of countless threads about illegal immigration even though there was not one word in the article about it.

You, and PYW, Ramius and a few others have fed the anger and you are the ones calling people bigots.

I'll speak for myself, but I call it as I see it.

I don't know any of you so I don't know where you stand, but I am guessing that you and your merry band of friends show up on threads like this and attack Freepers.

You'd be guessing wrong.

If I'm wrong, don't bother pointing it out.

But of course. In that, you and Full Court are similar. You only want to spout off your nonsense and never have it challenged.

Your mental gymnastics must be exhausting!

411 posted on 04/20/2006 9:36:43 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: brazzaville
If you hadn't posted to this thread, the thread would have gone away.

But this thread shouldn't go away. It's a classic example of why conservatives should get their facts straight.

We've simply been asking for the facts.

The silence is deafening.

412 posted on 04/20/2006 9:39:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (This tagline has expired.)
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To: brazzaville; Full Court

If their sign on dates weren't so old I would swear they were trolls.

I will no longer dignify their name calling with a response. It is uncalled for.


413 posted on 04/20/2006 9:40:04 AM PDT by del4hope (Do not covet thy neighbors' country)
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To: del4hope

That's rich.

Yet another 2005 FReeper accusing others of being trolls.

Since the words "Mexican immigrant" have been removed from the headline, I think we can all agree who was right on this thread.


414 posted on 04/20/2006 9:48:15 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: del4hope; brazzaville; Full Court; RMDupree; Ramius
I will no longer dignify their name calling with a response. It is uncalled for.

Well, I suppose ignoring us is easier than providing the facts.

Thanks fer playin'.

415 posted on 04/20/2006 9:48:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (This tagline has expired.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

They don't even realize that despite a barrage of pings from Full Court, only a handful of FReepers have come to her defense.

I wonder why??


416 posted on 04/20/2006 9:49:44 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RMDupree
I wonder why??

Well, it ~is~ siesta time...

417 posted on 04/20/2006 9:50:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (This tagline has expired.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Good morning.
"Surely there's ~something~ out there.'

What I find interesting the way so many people from the Hobbit Hole are going after this woman.

Whether the two young men with Hispanic names and no known addresses are illegal, or have driver's licenses or insurance, or are to blame for the accident, is less interesting to me than the vehemence with which you folks are going after her.

Michael Frazier
418 posted on 04/20/2006 9:56:22 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville

If you read every post on this thread you'd understand; I'm not sure it's worth the time you'd invest, however.


419 posted on 04/20/2006 9:58:56 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: brazzaville; Ramius; RMDupree
What I find interesting the way so many people from the Hobbit Hole are going after this woman.

We have a lot of things in common. Accuracy and facts being amongst them.

420 posted on 04/20/2006 9:59:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (This tagline has expired.)
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