Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast

ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

[investigateworld]

I don't know how NC law works in that particular area, but in Cali, they would have the right to ask for a lawyer present or decline to answer question. At that point the DA would have to offer immunity or move on.
Remember Ollie North, and that era?

[RVN Airplane Driver]

Any guy with anything on the ball (no pun intended) can get a hummer any day on campus. It's not sex, remember, thanks to our former president. The lacrosse players would have their choice of the most attractive girls on campus. Makes no sense for them to pay someone covered with germs.

Just how much is that tuition at Duke....seems like another advanced degree could be an attractive proposition.....might be a cheap preventative medicinal formulat...a hummer a day...keep the undertaker away!!!

[NeonKnight]

There'll be a court trial.

I don't believe that has to be the case. I may be wrong, but can't a judge simply dismiss the charges at any time? I know the DA can, though this one probably won't, regardless of the evidence.

[Locomotive Breath]

Sounds like professional incompetence.

It's called plausible deniability. If he didn't see any evidence that the accused was not guilty then he can claim he went forward with the indictments in good faith.

[Steve_Seattle]

"There are no time-stamped pictures of that time period (12:02 - 12:29?)."

This is consistent with the following easy-to-believe scenario: The girls stopped dancing, and either went outside and then returned, or went directly into the bathroom. Realizing that the show was over, and probably bored, Seligmann called a cab, which arrived at approximately 12:19. The cab takes him to the ATM, where a photo and receipt confirm his presence at 12:24. A re-enactment by ABC confirms the five minute timeframe for the ride to the ATM, and dorm records confirm Seligmann back at the dorm at 12:46. It is virtually inconceivable that Seligmann called a cab at exactly the same time he was preparing to participate in a rape which allegedly lasted for 30 minutes. The girl's story requires that Seligmann called a cab, then raped her, then calmly went to the ATM to get money for food. I don't buy it.

[maggief]

The guys claimed the strippers locked themselves in the bathroom for 10-20 minutes.

Here's the AV's account:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0329061duke4.html

[CondorFlight]

"I do have faith in the system."

I'm sorry, but one of the most disturbing aspects of this is the reaction of the black community--which seems to have already made a presumption of guilt.

When I remember the
1)Brawley fiasco,
2)the Rosenberg (?) case
(in which a Hassidic Jew was murdered by a black male who was identified by the victim before he died, and found with the blood-stained knife on his person)--where the accused was aquited by a black jury which then went and held a party with the defense attorneys
3)the murder of Meir Kahane in front of 60+ witnesses
(aquitted by a black jury)
4) OJ

I think I would be terrified to be tried by a black jury.

[Locomotive Breath]

It's also just professional courtesy and common decency.

Which is more than Nifong has or deserves.

[Carling]

I'll keep repeating this, but Nifong needs Mangum to be discredited for this to go away.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1616934/posts?page=1370#1370

[JeffAtlanta]

I don't know how NC law works in that particular area, but in Cali, they would have the right to ask for a lawyer present or decline to answer question. At that point the DA would have to offer immunity or move on.

thanks! - I appreciate your legal expertise. I don't see Nifong offering immunity to anyone so maybe that is why he stopped asking the players about their whereabouts with their attorneys present - he knew they would just refuse to answer.

Wouldn't it still be standard procedure for law enforcement to ask each of the potential suspects where they were that night?

[Locomotive Breath]

A house call in the dorm? Please tell me you're joking.

[Raycpa]

I see you have nothing to add to the time-line defense except speculation. Thanks anyways.

[Warren_Piece]

I don't believe that has to be the case. I may be wrong, but can't a judge simply dismiss the charges at any time?

I'm afraid there's too much pressure from "the community", and this thing has taken on a life of its own.

With all due respect to LocomotiveBreath:

Old Charlie stole the handle and
The train won't stop going--
No way to slow down.

No way to slow down

[Alia]

I think that Duke president needs to go.

I do too. Lawrence Summers, Harvard, said a thing which has been substantiated by those who do brain research differentiating sex while in mid presentation to a group of academics. The feminists DEMANDED he step down for bringing up those scientific "community" questions and theories concerning "women" and "science"

It was experienced, by the feminist Academics present, that his words were worse than RAPE. They felt ill, they swooned.

The Duke President said things/did things in this situation which showed that he has no brain.

[NeonKnight]

I don't know how NC law works in that particular area, but in Cali, they would have the right to ask for a lawyer present or decline to answer question. At that point the DA would have to offer immunity or move on.

Which state you are in doesn't matter. You always have the right to remain silent.

[Locomotive Breath]

The most recent game was on Saturday 11 March.

[CondorFlight]

"I think I would be terrified to be tried by a black jury."

And I'm sorry to say that.

When OJ was accused of murdering his wife (who was white, with flowing long blond hair, to boot), the white community did not erupt. It simply wasn't an issue. Those days are long gone. Race just isn't important.

But to the black community, their victimhood in too many cases is what constitutes their sole identity.

(Case in point--notice the reactions of black juries, and their almost automatic nullification of charges against black defendants--no matter what the evidence shows).

And I'm afraid that all the evidence in the world isn't going to mean much in Durham, or convince the black
citizen/leader/ministers who have already spoken on this case to publicly even admit a possibility that they may have been wrong.

[ladyjane]

I don't know how long it's been since you were in college but things are very different now. Going back to school might put a strain on your heart!

[Carling]

Your analysis would be up to your usual analytical standards if a photo had been snapped during each minute, which is far from the case.

But that doesn't matter. What matters is that whenever the photo is taken, there is ONLY a 1 in 60 chance the the seconds will land on a random number. If I take a photo at 12:00, the second results will be from :00-59. If I take a photo at 12:10, the results of the seconds will be the same, :00-59. Consecutive minutes don't matter, only the finite 60 possibilities.

I notice that this photo and the preceeding one -- i.e., the first two -- are time-stamped without showing any odd seconds

Hmm, I didn't know that. Interesting. I will say that 60x60 will still yield random results. I'd hate to base my criticisms of the photos on this mathematical point if I was Nifong. Still, if indeed the first two are time-stamped at :00 seconds it is one way the Nifong can attack this evidence.

[Alia]

I may be mistaken; but I think that bringing this to a grand jury nullifies a judge "tossing" the case. It's got to be "heard" now. Both sides have to bring their "evidence".

Hoping a legal type will more substantively clarify this...