Posted on 04/19/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:
Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.
Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.
12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.
Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.
But after visiting the ATM, the boy went back to his dorm and never left.....was he waiting for her to make a house call?
Yeah, it's everywhere. But in the beginning it was discussed that they didn't get the court order, just threatned it.
And there isn't a court order on The Smoking Gun for that.
I have scratches and bruises from my dogs jumping up on me, but then my doctor says I have cheap Irish skin!!
There just doesn't seem to be justice in this f'ed up country anymore - screwed up as it is by worthless scum and parasites. God help these people when civil order breaks down - and the capable are able to exact revenge against the worthless.
I'm assuming you've heard by now those students were suspended from Duke. Outfrigginrageous.
Thank you for assuming my ignorance. I have followed the case to a degree and have seen the "supporters" of the victim made this a media story. The school decided to punish the team, though it is not clear whether it was for the alleged rape or for bringinmg strippers onto school property. That played right into the media circus. Now the attorneys for the accused have turned to trying this case in the media. They did so because the case was brought into the media by the "supporters" and, sadly, by the D.A.. It is good strategy to try the case in the media, but that does not make it right. Still, the defense attorneys - who clearly want to try this case in the media - were not the ones that put the case in the media to begin with. They are playing the game on the terms the D.A. and the victims "supporters" have chosen - and, at this point, are doing a much better job of it.
I wouldn't think that you would be able to show a victim pictures with marks on them that might lead her to identify them, would you?
I mean, wouldn't that be like showing her 39 pictures of black guys and one picture of a white guy?
Bet they will be reinstated by COB on Thursday, if not today.
:-)
COB?
There has been repeated reference to the woman dancing, leaving the house, then coming back, and perhaps briefly dancing for a second time. The leaving and coming back does not appear in either version of your timeline. Do you know when that allegedly occured? My impression is that it was at about 12:05 - 12:15. Am I wrong? I think it's important because if she left and returned and danced after the 12:04 photo, it really reduces the time when the rape could have occurred, and almost certainly gets Seligmann off the hook.
It certainly seems that they would be well served to keep all of their information to themselves until indicted.
Investigateworld or Jezebelle, the rest of the teammates are now in the dual role of witnesses and possible suspects. As a suspect, can they refuse to answer any questions from the prosecution? Does that open them up to obstruction of justice charges since they are also witnesses?
In other words, if a currently non-indicted player is asked by law enforcement "where you at the party the whole time? When did you leave? Where did you go?" can the person just refuse to answer?
If it is phrased another way such as "where you there when the indicted player left?" would they open themselves up to obstruction of justice charges since they were being asked as a witness and not a suspect?
They need the right recipe of protecting 46 player's cases while at the same time destroying Nifong nightly in the press. At some point even the NAACP and town-of-Durham will have to come after Nifong becasue he's making them look stupid and damaging their collective causes.
Then the case and this idiot Nifong will collapse under the collective weight of the facts + NAACP + Jesse Jackson.
There are no time-stamped pictures of that time period.
This may be helpful ...
Reade Seligmann timeline:
midnight and at 12:02 a.m. girls dancing
??? phone bill records reviewed by ABC show that the defendant's cell phone made at least two outgoing calls.
12:19 a.m. ABC News traced the steps of Seligmann's story, timing how long it took to get from place to place. In repeated trials, the drive between the Wachovia branch and the corner where the cab picked him up took approximately five minutes.
12:24 a.m., a receipt reviewed by ABC indicates that Seligmann's ATM card was used at a nearby Wachovia bank. The taxi driver remembers taking him to a drive-thru fast-food restaurant and then dropping him off at his dorm.
12:25 a.m., he was making a phone call to a girlfriend out of state.
12:46 a.m. Duke University records show that Seligmann's card was used to gain entry
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=2
"Odd that they didn't see that stigma didn't go both ways, though."
Remember who was driving the train on the rape shield laws.
That would pretty much destroy the prosecutors credibility on this. I cannot imagine a juror trusting anything the prosectuion said after that.
The DNA and torso shots were taken on Mar. 23, nine days after the faux rape. Would most scratches still be visible?
http://www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/03/24/News/Dpd-DnaTests.Lacrosse.Team.In.Suspected.Rape-1716621.shtml?norewrite200604191253&sourcedomain=www.dukechronicle.com
And that's a real defect in the legal system.Why shouldn't the jury members hear all the info?
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