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Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast
ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

Posted on 04/19/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MindBender26

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To: MississippiDeltaDawg
Are you seriously trying to contend that this woman was raped by three men who just happened to be members of the Duke LaCrosse team and then she found the ability to go ahead with her scheduled dance performance in front of these very same men and THEN went to the Kroger parking lot and had the guard make the call??

No. I am raising questions that the time-line defense does not cover all possibilities in itself unless it address confirmation of time stamps and covers the time before midnight.

The purpose of the time line defense is to show that it is physically impossible to happen without making assumptions as to what did and did not happen.

If the time-line defense is not absolute, then I guess one would have to make assumptions like yours above in order to fill the gaps. I was hoping that the blanks could be filled in a way that the assumptions like the one you are making are not required and the time-line shows its absolutely impossible for a rape to have occur ed between these individuals.

461 posted on 04/19/2006 9:42:28 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: JeffAtlanta
The other players should try to keep their whereabouts to themselves (if they can legally) as well. This will prevent the woman from just picking out the ones without alibis.

Absolutely. The DA wants two heads for re-election. No doubt embarassed (as the fool he is) by an early alibi, he can always look for a more attractive perp to indict.

What-the-hell. The University (hate white males) and town (hate whites) are behind hime, and there's an election to win.

462 posted on 04/19/2006 9:42:32 AM PDT by Swanks
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To: mystery-ak

Isn't it to be expected that athletes have scratches on their bodies? Shoot - you garden and probably have scratches on you.


463 posted on 04/19/2006 9:42:58 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin

Would it be allowed?


464 posted on 04/19/2006 9:43:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: JeffAtlanta

But he can't DO that; he just cannot give her a picture lineup with pictures with scratches on them.

But now he is locked into the "positively identified" statement; and now look, they weren't there.........

I guess Number 3 just had "sort of" a scratch and she could only 90 percent identify him?


465 posted on 04/19/2006 9:43:10 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

I'm shocked a judge not only forced them to provide DNA but obviously pictures of their bodies.


466 posted on 04/19/2006 9:43:40 AM PDT by Peach
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To: snarkytart
What about the female attorney for one of the team captains? She was on Dan Abrams yesterday praising the DA as a great lawyer and a decent man. What was that all about?

She has other cases in the town so she can't really publicly humiliate him - it would hurt her other clients.

It's also just professional courtesy and common decency.

467 posted on 04/19/2006 9:43:51 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Howlin

I never knew you were a court reporter! How the heck do you have so much Freeping time? (FReep during trial? :) )


468 posted on 04/19/2006 9:44:01 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Raycpa

There's a good chance it will be allowed; heck, in the Mike Peterson case they allowed testimony from the death of another woman in another country.


469 posted on 04/19/2006 9:44:03 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: JeffAtlanta

That's a very good point. About 30 min. ago Ron Mott of MSNBC said there was a difference of opinion among the defense lawyers about how much info they should give out.


470 posted on 04/19/2006 9:44:03 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: Howlin
When this is all over, I hope the whole team and their parents give a big party to honor that student photographer!!!

I wonder if Nifong will hunt him down and trash HIM. No doubt he's rich if he owns a camera. ;o)

471 posted on 04/19/2006 9:44:14 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Daily legal immigrant to FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Warren_Piece

I work at home most of the time!


472 posted on 04/19/2006 9:44:37 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Their pictures lock HER story in.

Any chance some events preceded midnight? Do we know where the girls were before then?

473 posted on 04/19/2006 9:45:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Peach

From what I have read, that court order was never obtained; Nifong sent a letter to the attorneys saying that he was going to get one, and so they all went in voluntarily.

He sent something like "a letter of intent," but I can't remember the exact name.


474 posted on 04/19/2006 9:46:01 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Raycpa

The accuser was late and arrived at 12:00.


475 posted on 04/19/2006 9:46:01 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Steve_Seattle
"which takes us to 12:09 - 12:15. In that same time frame, or within five minutes of it, Seligmann makes two phone calls. Seligmann leaves at 12:19, leaving him 3-4 minutes"

Could be that the reason she came back to the party was the promise of money for, say, oral sex. At 12:09 (maybe as early as 12:05) she and the three guys go into the bathroom, Seligmann is first, sees that things are getting way out of hand, beats feet to establish an alibi. The other two guys stay.

He calls a cab at 12:14 (alibi #1) After 5 minutes he gets tired of waiting, knows he can't hang around, and so leaves with a friend from the party, not alone, at 12:19 (alibi #2). They start walking back to the dorm, get about about a block and a half, spot the cab he called, and get in (alibi #3). He goes straight to an ATM at 12:24 (alibi #4). At 12:25 a.m., he was making a phone call to a girlfriend out of state. (alibi #5). He then goes to a fast food restaurant (the OJ alibi #6). Goes back to the dorm at 12:46 (alibi #7).

Now, was he involved? No, I don't think so. But, the point is, he could have been.

476 posted on 04/19/2006 9:46:13 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Peach

Shoot - you garden and probably have scratches on you.


That's correct...you should see my hands today and I was wearing gloves....lol..................like I said, when my son would come home from practice he looked terrible, scratches, bruises, bumps...I am sure these boys go through the same thing...so it wouldn't surprise me in the least.


477 posted on 04/19/2006 9:46:39 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Howlin

Well, it looks good for them they volunteered but didn't I read a judge ordered that all of them submit DNA?


478 posted on 04/19/2006 9:46:51 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Raycpa

Not that I have heard.

Her daddy said he took her to the store for some drinks (if you can believe him), but he didn't say what time.


479 posted on 04/19/2006 9:46:52 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: snarkytart
What about the female attorney for one of the team captains? She was on Dan Abrams yesterday praising the DA as a great lawyer and a decent man. What was that all about?

As a defense attorney, it's good for her business to have a DA in office who ia an incompetent fool.

480 posted on 04/19/2006 9:47:19 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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