Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast

ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

[MindBender26]

Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:

Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.

Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.

12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.

Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.

[Halls]

thanks for your comment. I will have faith in the justice system over this issue and I have faith in the justice system in all cases. I believe to many times we all fail to see that the people running the courts and fighting for their clients are not human and should not make mistakes. In the end in this case I believe it will all be sorted out one way or the other, the "victim" will be shown to be a liar,or the "rapists" will be proved in court that they did this crime. Or this case will be dismissed and we will never know the truth,but still justice will work one way or the other.

[bondjamesbond]

I don't see whats so hard to believe that the kid simply wasen't interested in seeing some skank dance and left the party . Simple explaination .

You may be right about that. If so, good for him. His virtue is rewarded.

[Rokurota]

Will they be suspended from the current semester?

I've heard that it's Duke's policy to suspend anyone indicted for a felony until the matters are resolved. So it's likely these guys will not be able to finish the semester anytime soon.

[not2worry]

We need Tort Reform!

It's going to cost the defendant attorney fees and the State taxpayer's money chasing this case.

One more issue for Hannity and Greta to beat to death.

[rolling_stone]

a cabdriver confirms picking up Seligmann and a friend

Wouldn't it be funny if the second guy was the second defendant!

[Locomotive Breath]

Something like a restaurant with a receipt and 6 witnesses?

[RJL]

Why would he go to a bank machine in the early morning hours if he was just going back to his dorm?

Perhaps he was going to make a "purchase" then during the trip to and from the ATM he started thinking with the big head again and decided to pass on the sale and just go to his room.

Makes sense to me.

[Centurion2000]

defendant dosen't have to prove anything .He's innocent until PROVEN outherwise.

No disrespect but where have you been in the last 20 years? The justice system in this country is a complete farce.

[not2worry]

Be careful....I believe only rappers can use the term "HO" without being called a racist.

[maggief]

30 minutes ...


The woman told the police that she was blocked in a bathroom, held, hit, kicked and strangled while she was sexually assaulted for about 30 minutes. She said she had been separated from another dancer, who also had been hired to perform.

Police first thought the accuser was intoxicated but later took her to the Duke University Hospital emergency room. She had "signs, symptoms, and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally," according to a district attorney's affidavit.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/14365209.htm

[mlc9852]

LOL - best post on this thread! You should send it in to MasterCard.

[Law is not justice but process]

"There's something wrong about that when the legal presumption is that the accused rapist is innocent until proven otherwise."

I quite agree. That is the problem with trying cases in the media, there is no presumption of innocence in the media. Ideally the boys should have some legal recourse should they be able to prove this alleged victim a liar. Sadly, a good civil attorney knows as well as I do what the term "judgment proof" portends.

[maggief]

No, the third. :)

Finnerty wasn't at the party when the strippers were dancing.

[XJarhead]

Yup. And even if she wasn't judgment proof, the stigma of "rapist" isn't a good one.

I understand the reasoning behind rape shield laws, but I honestly don't think that reasoning can be squared with the legitimate interests of justice.

[relictele]

CNN Headline News was shameful last night as they cut over to an in-studio reporter doing one of those "more details" stand-ups in front of a huge LCD monitor.

They just HAD to list the cost of the private high schools two of the suspects attended. The last entry said "public high school = FREE." Obviously, the implication was that they are guilty since they paid for school and wanted to avoid the abysmal "FREE" public schools that all the saintly poor kids attend.

Shameful but not surprising.

[Law is not justice but process]

"What state are you in?"

I respectfully decline to answer, on the grounds that my boss might figure out I am FReeping during business hours. I am not in North Carolina, though.

[mjwise]

So the students watch this woman fall down the back steps and injure herself, and they let her just lay there on the ground for 7 minutes while taking photos of her?

These guys are not rapists, but they definitely are louts.

Maybe by then they thought the strippers were up to something fishy (after having supposedly locked themselves in the bathroom for 20 minutes.) I certainly wouldn't have touched them or even gone near them lest I leave any trace DNA evidence on them, especially if they were inebriated! Callously taking photos of them stumbling about may well help form a large part of the reasonable doubt in this case.

[snarkytart]

Finnerty wasn't at the party when the strippers were dancing.
_______________________

Have you heard this for sure??
What is his alibi?

[ladyjane]

Perhaps he was going to make a "purchase"

Lacrosse players at Duke don't need to make a "purchase" at all. They have absolutely stunning women available to them.

Seligman called his girlfriend twice around midnight. That says to me he went to the party to be 'one of the guys' and maybe he went out of curiosity, but his mind was on his girlfriend. He saw what showed up at the party, got disgusted and left.