Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast

ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

[MindBender26]

Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:

Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.

Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.

12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.

Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.

[Peach]

Good point about the oral thing, GAgal. Are you in Georgia? I'm in South Carolina near Augusta, GA.

[Carolinamom]

If the 2nd dancer was not in the bathroom w/Crystol, then when and where and how did the 2nd dancer change her clothes? 'Seems to me that she had to have been in the bathroom at that time.

[maggief]

Thank you ... bookmark




To: All
For all of you keeping score at home, here is the most complete timeline I have compiled from reported sources:

11:02:00 LAX party starts at Buchanan street house
11:15:00 Stripper #2 arrives at house (elapsed time 0:13:00)
11:45:00 - 12:00:00 AV arrives at house (0:30:00 - 0:45:00)
12:00:12 Photo of both strippers dancing (0:15:12)
12:00:40 Photo of both strippers dancing, bruises visible on AV (0:00:40)
12:01:16 Photo of AV kneeling over stripper #2 (0:00:46)
12:03:57 Photo of both strippers leaving room (0:02:41)
12:07:00 Seligman makes cell phone call (0:03:03)
12:09:00 Seligman makes another cell phone call (0:02:00)
12:11:00 Seligman makes another cell phone call (0:02:00)
12:14:00 Seligman makes cell phone call for cab (0:03:00)
12:19:00 Seligman enters cab 1.5 blocks from house (0:05:00)
12:24:00 Seligman uses Wachovia Bank ATM (0:05:00)
12:30:12 Photo of AV on back porch going through purse (0:06:12)
12:30:47 Photo of AV on back porch apparently smiling(0:00:35)
12:31:26 Photo of AV apparently stumbling on back porch stairs (0:00:39)
12:37:58 Photo of AV lying down on back porch (0:06:32)
12:41:00 Photo of AV in stripper #2's car (0:03:02)
12:42:00 Seligman uses key card to enter dorm (0:01:00)
12:53:00 Stripper #2 calls 911 about racial insults (0:11:00)
1:22:00 Kroger security calls 911 about AV in stripper #2's car
1:32:00 Durham Police arrive at Kroger (0:10:00)
1:49:00 DPD takes AV to mental health center (0:17:00)
2:31:00 DPD takes AV to Duke Hospital (0:42:00)
2:50:00 DPD changes incident report to include alledged rape (0:29:00)
614 posted on 04/19/2006 1:07:17 PM CDT by GallopingGhost



To: GallopingGhost

Add 12:25 -- Seligman calls girlfriend from cell phone.

765 posted on 04/19/2006 2:26:44 PM CDT by robertpaulsen

[Peach]

After I prepare dinner, I will go looking for an article too. Thanks for making that point.

[Neverforget01]

I think the guys say they were in the bathroom together. I have no idea where Kim was. I have also no idea why Rita Cosby didn't ask Kim this pretty basic question.

[Jrabbit]

LOL

nah....she hangs out at DU to get her talking points.

Reporter saying the media is backing off the scratches theory. AV ID'd one of the guys 2 weeks ago...

ahhh....DA is waiting for 2nd DNA test to issue next indictment....if the DNA proves what he thinks it will. But it won't happen til the next GJ.

Ha! CC fighting with a friend of the accused over the phone. CC says he beat up a gay guy in DC! Good Lord!

[Raycpa]

No matter where the girls were, the time line presented by the pictures, phone calls and ATm do not leave much time to fit a DNA-less rape in.

[wagglebee]

Susan said the fabricator couldn't ID her attackers for weeks because the assault occurred "from behind". How does the passage of time remedy that?

What we will be seeing from here on out is that the more holes are pointed out in the story, the more things the stripper will "remember."

[Jrabbit]

Reporter on CC says that Kim is backing off her story about Crystal being slipped a date rape drug at the party.

Reporter says if date rape drug had been detected in AV during rape exam, the accused would have been charged with that.

[maggief]

For starters Kim lied on the 911 call.

I understand that Kim is claiming she didn't know where Crystal was for 20 minutes. So where was Kim during that time?

Anywho ... Seligmann was making phone calls and had left during those 20 minutes and Finnerty was there at all.

[maggief]

was = wasn't

[Law is not justice but process]

The D.A. is only held accountable for the information he actually has. If he knew the information was exculpatory and you could prove he was willfully blind, perhaps it might get somewhere. He is under a continuing obligation to investigate the case and provide new information to the defense.

It would be very hard to prove he did something for electoral gain. Perhaps if someone on the inside ratted him out.

I will say this, if the defendants really offered to talk to him before he went to the Grand Jury and he went without seeing proffered evidence such as pictures, his constituents should conclude he is too stupid to be reelected. My prosecutor's instinct tells me that a defendant who offers evidence before a charge is indicted is not trying to fool you. If they want to fool you, they hold it to the last minute in hopes you will not have time to thoroughly investigate it. I also heard the defendants all offered to take polygraphs. That is another clue to slow down and look at what the defense is offering. I have had people volunteer for polygraphs and then fail them, and I have also had defendants proffer false alibi evidence. It is always nice to know about that before you commit yourself, though.

[wagglebee]

What I don't understand, is why does a STRIPPER need to go into another room to put her clothes back on?

[GAgal]

I thought Catherine's attitude was markedly different today. After going through the Seligmann alibi chronology she said, "The kid's got time-stamps all over the place."

[noblejones]

>>
Anyone able to calculate the forthecoming tuition increase at Duke due to the mega millions these lax players and coach will get after the lawsuit?
<<

Depending on the student's fields of study and impact on future earning power, I'd say you're looking at a $500,000,000 suit per player. Schools do not have the heinous protections that municipalities have.

[GAgal]

CC asked Kevin Miller about Finnerty and he said Finnerty had left school and "was devasted." I read somewhere that the diversion program following his dust-up in DC which resulted in his having to do 25 hrs. of community service in exchange for dropping all charges, may be cancelled as a result of these new charges. Finnerty may now have to spend six months in jail instead.

[Paul Ross]

Not exculpatory?

Kids get cash from the ATM all the time. And if you look at that timeline...you're really reaching to conclude the cabbie took him anywhere other than the ATM. Ask the cab driver. The record as outlined shows:

12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.

That's only 18 minutes not accounted for. If he was walking from the ATM to Dorm...depending on distance...that would possibly account for the whole of it. 18 minutes does not leave enough time for him to be driven back to the house where the alleged assault occurred...do the alleged assault...and then get back to his dorm on foot.

[Jrabbit]

I'm biased. I despise her. Disregard anything I post about what she says. It WILL be slanted! LOL

[Law is not justice but process]

"Do you as a prosecutor have absolute immunity from a malicious prosecution suit?"

No. We have qualified immunity under the Tort Claims Act, but we can still be sued personally for wanton and malicious behavior. For instance, if we brought unfounded charges against a former girlfriend for revenge, that would be wanton and malicious. If we held on to a charge a little too long because we were negligent in pursuing the investigation of an alibi, we would be immune.

Of course the girlfriend thing would get us arrested for misconduct in office if nothing else, but that is another issue.

Another problem for those who wish to sue: most prosecutors are darn near judgement-proof anyway. You do not prosecute to get rich.

[SauronOfMordor]

Rant on

Leftists love to talk about "unequal power" all the time, about how the poor have no power, and the affluent have all the power

What this case demonstrates is that the truly powerless segment of American society is the Middle Class

If you have no assets, as seems to be the case with the "alleged victim", you can do as you want without fear of losing anything as a consequence. If she is shown to be a complete liar, what has she got that would interest a trial lawyer? Is there any possibility that the DA would prosecute her for making false statements to police and perjury?

Meanwhile, the accused are screwed. They are suspended while under indictment, which means they will not be able to take their finals, which means this (expensively paid for term) is a loss. They have to pay for their own lawyers, and they have to pay for the best if they want to stay out of prison. Their parents are likely to be bankrupt as a consequence. They will probably face a civil lawsuit from the alleged victim, with a contingency-fee trial lawyer on her side, and will proably need to settle in order to avoid an expensive trial in front of an ethnicly-hostile jury

And meanwhile, little miss "alleged victim" was able to ruin their lives because she felt disrespected

Rant off