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1 posted on 03/13/2006 6:56:25 AM PST by conservativebabe
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Interesting article, your thoughts?


2 posted on 03/13/2006 6:57:41 AM PST by conservativebabe
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3 posted on 03/13/2006 7:04:20 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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This begs the question: Are militant feminists unhappy because they're militant, or militant because they're unhappy?


4 posted on 03/13/2006 7:04:20 AM PST by Pessimist
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After digging through Slate to find the rest of Meghan's article, it was well worth it.

A great read and I rather agree with the conclusions throughout.


5 posted on 03/13/2006 7:19:11 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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I don't think "Progressives" are happy in any area of their lives, so this study doesn't surprise me.


9 posted on 03/13/2006 7:26:55 AM PST by Millee (Don't make me get out my voodoo doll out!)
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I wouldn't know what it's like to be a domestic lady...

but I certainly wouldn't mind finding out!

one thing I would do is volunteer - for the ballet, the symphony, the church.


12 posted on 03/13/2006 7:32:34 AM PST by peacebaby ("What? Me worry?" Alfred E Newman)
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Women have entered the workforce, but men still haven't picked up the domestic slack—working wives continue to do 70 percent or more of the housework, according to one study. If you work hard and come home and find you have to do much more than your husband does, it's little wonder that you would be angry and frustrated.

This feminist obsession with who is doing the most housework is more than a little bizarre. Every successful two-career couple I know hires maid service - they don't sit there sniping at each other over who didn't do what this week.

14 posted on 03/13/2006 7:36:11 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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Wilcox and Nock's study leaves husbands out of the picture. What we might wait for is a study that examines husbands' happiness—and tells us something about how they view male cultural scripts that remain comparatively stagnant.

Whether feminists are happy or not has less to do with the future of society than who men will choose for their wives and the mothers of their children.

Countless articles have been written about what women want, or what makes women happy, but little about the choices men make.

Men are hardwired differently than women, as are their needs. Men wants sons who will live after them. Marriage gave women certain social "rights" in exchange for bearing their husband's sons. Men still produce sons, but "progressive" women have largely given up the security marriage gave them. Thus, the reason for feminists unhappiness.

"Traditional" women, on the other hand, seem to have "gotten it right", and are ignoring the failed concepts of feminists. Thus, the reason for traditionalist's happiness.

15 posted on 03/13/2006 7:38:38 AM PST by Noachian (To control the courts the people must first control their Congress.)
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This just confirms my theory that "progressives" are just unhappy misfits who want to blow up a well-functioning system just because they are unhappy.


17 posted on 03/13/2006 7:39:44 AM PST by lady lawyer
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What is left out of both lines of argument are the strange ways that rising expectations play into happiness. The sexual revolution tried to free women and men from set-in-stone roles. But the irony turns out to be that having a degree of certainty about what you want (and being in a peer group that feels the same way) is helpful in making people happy.

I think happiness and joy are two different things. Happiness is a state of pleasure, contentment and satisfaction with one's circumstances. The key to happiness is not the circumstances, but your perception. Some people who are poor, ill, or facing terrible trials in life are happy, and some people who are rich and live lives of ease are unhappy.

Joy, on the other hand, comes from within, an assurance of the reality of good that cannot be affected by outside circumstances. In the case of evangelical Christians (who seem to confuse the authors), joy comes from the knowledge of the reality of their salvation, from a real and living relationship with Christ, from the certainty that in spite of difficulties, God is on his throne, that He is good and in control, and that all will be right in the end.

I had four long labors, unmedicated. [I'm not advocating this for everyone -- it just worked for us.] The pain was strong and real, but it was manageable. The labor coaches tell you that it is "pain with a purpose." That's the way evangelicals [should] look at trials in life -- pain with a purpose which ends in an event of unspeakable joy. This is an aspect not considered by the authors when pondering why evangelical women forced into the workforce by circumstances are still happier.

I don't enjoy housework. But when I face the pile of laundry, I often think how fortunate I am to have clothes to wash. When I do the dishes, I try to remember how blessed I am to have food on the table. (And I throw in some prayers for my hubby, his employer, and those less fortunate.) When I mop the floors or dust the furniture, I think of times when I wasn't sure I'd have a home, and of people who do not. When our children are driving us crazy, I thank God that they are strong enough to cause such commotion. I try to look at the less pleasant parts of my life as pain with a purpose, and my perception is that my work is a result of my blessings. I feel happy because I am blessed, and because I'm doing what I'm called to do at the present. I enjoy the company of my children. I am pleased to have the opportunity to teach them and to share with them the important events in their lives. I feel joy because I know that my seemingly menial acts have eternal consequences.

Women often have difficulty knowing what they want in life. It's not easy. If you stay at home, you often don't get much respect. When I could tell people "I am a CPA," I got a certain look of respect or even admiration.

When I tell people I am a stay-at-home mom . . .

with four children . . .

whom I homeschool . . .

well, I often get looks of abject fear, as if my decision were contagious. Or I get the "Oh, that's really nice, but I'd go crazy if I had nothing more intellectually challenging than housework -- translation: a simple-minded woman like you, on the other hand, gets plenty of fulfilment out of laundry, dishes and diapers.

Working women face condemnation for their decisions as well. We should really all stick together, but sadly, I think we women are often our own worst enemies.

20 posted on 03/13/2006 10:51:03 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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Housework has traditionally been much easier than career work, and still generally is. What made things equitable is that child bearing and child rearing are much harder.


22 posted on 03/13/2006 11:27:28 AM PST by Tribune7
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