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Mr. Dell opens up about Desktop Linux
Desktop Linux ^ | Mar. 07, 2006 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 03/08/2006 5:49:56 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

Michael Dell, chairman of Dell Inc. believes in offering Linux on the desktop, server, and workstation. What he doesn't believe in, for now, is giving Linux full support on the desktop. In an exclusive interview, Dell explained his company's Linux desktop strategy to DesktopLinux.com's Steven J. Vaughan Nichols.

"People are always asking us to support Linux on the desktop, but the question is: 'Which Linux are you talking about?'," Dell asked.

(Excerpt) Read more at desktoplinux.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: capitalism; dell; linux; redhat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Again, Open Solaris is a development project, not a product supported by Sun. China is standardizing on Linux, as they get a full production level operating system that is completely open and free, unlike Open Solaris. There are quite a few differences, as any Linux zealot will be happy to tell you, as if you didn't already know.


241 posted on 03/16/2006 7:56:34 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Again, Open Solaris is a development project, not a product supported by Sun.

You just don't get open source, do you? I know it's a strange model for someone so firmly entrenched in commercial-only, proprietary software thought.

Let me draw a parallel. Linux is a development project, not commercially supported by Linus Torvalds. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is a product based on Linux with commercial support given by Red Hat. Same for SuSE, Mandriva, Red Flag and all the other commercial distributions. Sun's supported commercial product based on Open Solaris is currently Solaris. And as with Linux others are allowed, even encouraged by Sun, to sell their own products and support based on Open Solaris.

You still miss the basic fact: If you had your wish and Linux disappeared from China, Open Solaris could quickly take its place. Sun hopes that would be by the Chinese buying Solaris, but it could just as easily be by a Chinese-branded and supported version of Open Solaris.

China is standardizing on Linux

Linux was first. Sun has a lot of time and marketshare to make up.

242 posted on 03/16/2006 8:44:51 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Red Hat Enterprise Linux is a product...

That's right, it's a full commercial product the Chinese get to copy, rename, resell,etc, all for free, not a development project like Open Solaris. The two just aren't equivocal, especially since according to the license Sun reserves the right to sue you for patent violation if you modify the Open Solaris project code, much less what they can do if you duplicate the actual Solaris code without approval to do so.

243 posted on 03/16/2006 11:45:08 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; antiRepublicrat
...it's a full commercial product the Chinese get to copy, rename, resell,etc, all for free...

< shakes head at the sheer stupidity >

244 posted on 03/16/2006 11:49:22 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
shakes head at the sheer stupidity

Of people who support such a thing? Yes, it is amazingly ignorant.

245 posted on 03/16/2006 12:47:44 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Of people who support such a thing?

No--at people who continue to spew lies, knowing they are spewing lies.

246 posted on 03/16/2006 1:01:02 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

The only lie I can think of in that regard would be someone claiming the Chinese can't actually copy, renane and resell "Red Hat" Linux as "Red Flag", all for free. Fortunately I don't see anyone claiming that, do you?


247 posted on 03/16/2006 1:41:36 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
You stated (and I quote):
it's a full commercial product the Chinese get to copy, rename, resell,etc, all for free,...
No one can copy the Red Hat full product for free, no matter how much you wish it so. They can take the same GPL'ed code from the net (just like RH does), and compile a similar distro that RH does to perform the same tasks, but it's not the RH product.
248 posted on 03/16/2006 1:47:52 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
No one can copy the Red Hat full product for free

Of course they can, as I'm sure you actually know, many other than the Chinese already do. The only thing they can't legally dupe is the Red Hat name and trade mark symbol. Which is why they call it Red Flag instead. How clever of the Chicoms. /SARCASM

249 posted on 03/16/2006 2:19:41 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
The only thing they can't legally dupe is the Red Hat name and trade mark symbol.

Wrong again. RH does put in proprietary software in their product. You cannot copy the "full product" (your words) legally for free.

250 posted on 03/16/2006 2:27:11 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle
according to the license Sun reserves the right to sue you for patent violation if you modify the Open Solaris project code

Shadow already took care of you on the Red Hat issue, so I'll take this part. The whole point of the patent clauses in the CDDL is that Sun can't sue you for patent violation if you modify the Open Solaris project code. Read the comments from Sun, their intent is, and I quote from Sun's Open Solaris project,

"The CDDL provides an explicit patent license for code released under the license. This means that you can use, modify, and redistribute code released under CDDL without worrying about any patents that the contributors of the code (including Sun) might have on the contributed technology."
Slam dunk, good bye, good riddance.
251 posted on 03/16/2006 2:43:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShadowAce

"CentOS and others--Lineox, White Box Linux, Tao Linux, X/OS Linux and Scientific Linux--all rebuild a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux from the source code components Red Hat releases."

http://news.com.com/Programmers+bypass+Red+Hat+Linux+fees/2100-7344_3-5632434.html

Here's a guy at eWeek advocating ending your paid Red Hat subscription and just getting the your security updates from somebody else for free. If that's not proving duplicity between Red Hat and these clones I don't know what would.

http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/eweek_labs/archive/2006/03/02/8192.aspx


252 posted on 03/16/2006 2:54:20 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
...from the source code components Red Hat releases."

Well, duh. But RH doesn't release all its code, genius.

253 posted on 03/16/2006 2:58:11 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle
The only thing they can't legally dupe is the Red Hat name and trade mark symbol. Which is why they call it Red Flag instead.

Damn, you just don't give up, do you? Actually, calling it Red Flag is pretty dangerous according to trademark. It's in the exact same market, too close to "Red Hat" and everybody knows it's an intentional pun on "Red Hat." Red Hat has a damn good case for a trademark suit.

BTW, most of the Linux community was pissed when Red Flag came out, but had to admit they were legally capable of releasing it. Eric Raymond said,

"...any identification between the values of the open-source community and the repressive practices of Communism is nothing but a vicious and cynical fraud. [We] would not care to be associated with the totalitarian and murderous government of Communist China -- unrepentant perpetrators of numerous atrocities against its own people."
That's your communist-loving Linux community.
254 posted on 03/16/2006 3:00:20 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShadowAce

Examples then. Got any? None yet.


255 posted on 03/16/2006 3:06:59 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat

Again so what? How hard is it to understand that modified code would not have come from Sun?!?!?


256 posted on 03/16/2006 3:13:24 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
How hard is it to understand that modified code would not have come from Sun?!?!?

Modified code is contributor code. That is covered under the next section, which also has a patent clause stating contributors must give a patent license. How hard is that to understand?

From your 226: "None of your links contain a written statement from Sun that they won't sue, either."

You just replied to a post with a written statement from Sun that contradicts your warped interpretation of the CDDL. Ready to give up yet?

257 posted on 03/16/2006 5:14:08 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Why are you screaming?

Because you lack basic comprehension skills. Stallman doesn't oppose patents, you know, invent a better carburetor-type patents. Real patents. Patents like they were before an activist judge paved the way for software patents in opposition to the professional opinion of the USPTO that software couldn't be patented.

258 posted on 03/16/2006 5:17:39 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Stallman doesn't oppose patents

What could possibly cause you to say something so deceitful? That is all we really need need to know.

259 posted on 03/16/2006 6:29:24 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
What could possibly cause you to say something so deceitful?

Show me where Stallman is against patents as I've stated, and I'll retract. Otherwise, apologize for accusing me of deceit.

260 posted on 03/16/2006 7:14:01 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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