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Posted on 02/24/2006 9:12:25 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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Oh, I meant to add, I have already rode him once today. Charlie was here and pulled the loose shoe off for me then I saddled him and rode about 20 minutes in the arena. Charlie was showing me how to get him to do a roll back. I learned I'm going to need another new bit to do that type of work...always something with the dam things:).
Becky
I'm glad he looked like he felt good.
I can't believe it's that hot. Here, it's still a little too early to plant summer crops.
You're going to get into reining now? ;~D
I want him to do everything:).
I don't know how we got in the conversation this morning, but I was telling Charlie that I had seen Kristy get Harley to do a beautiful roll back one time, but I wasn't sure how to go about it. I wanted Charlie to get on him and do it and let me watch.
So before Chris got here we were playing:)
He's saddled now. I'm off at least for an hour or so, depends on how long I can stand the heat, all tho it doesn't feel to bad because of the wind.
Becky
Oh, and yes, some of those reining moves we've been asked to do at rides. Turning on the forehand/backhand, sliding stops, etc.
Becky
I don't even want to think of summer yet. It is too scarey. It feels like August now!
I am spraying, use a feed-through, put out fly predators, hung up a fly trap, and put up a bug zapper yesterday. I still have flies, the nasty, biting kind that drive horse and woman crazy.
I was just out with ours and on this sunny day, we have our first flies... We don't even have any fly spray yet.
Nope, that's not right. Bob's got 'em all around. The breakover is just as important on the front as on the back. They may not be as prone to navicular changes on the back as on the front, but I think that's because most farriers aren't as prone to leave the toe as long on the back as the front.
What do you think about trimming the frog??? I really believe it's done just for looks????
He really should have left the frog as long as possible. When it's done correctly, the frog should be touching the ground, even with the shoe on. The frog pressure is what supports the heels and keeps them from getting contracted, so he's kinda defeated part of the purpose there. I also don't like the way he's left the right hand branch of the shoe hanging out of the crease of the frog. He should have hammered it closer in, like the left side. The point of that is to provide more support and to hold the dirt in there in order to keep the sole of the foot hydrated as well as to provide some support to the frog in itself. He did get the breakover back closer to where it should be, but like Bob, it's not back to where it SHOULD be yet. Maybe in a couple more shoeings it'll get moved back. I'm going to be keeping an eye on Bob's next shoeing to see if it moves back some more on him. I'll take more pictures and let you know. This is the picture of Bob's right front, about a week after the NB shoes were applied. See the difference in the frog between Bob on the left and Harley on the right...
My guy left the left branch of the shoe a little bit farther out, which really isn't good either. He also rasped the toe overhang off, which he really shouldn't do, but like you said, he did it before I had a chance to stop him. Here's a pic of Bob's right hind. It's set closer to being how I think a NB shoe should be, although the breakover is still too far forward...
This is how it SHOULD LOOK. See how close the inner rim of the shoe is to the point of the frog and how the heels of the shoe are set equally over the creases of the frog...
But over all, he's better off than he was before. It may take a few shoeings for everything to get just right. You can see how he does with them on just the front, but I think I'd ask for them on the back the next time, just to see. It certainly won't hurt anything.
All barefoot horses who live or are worked on terrain that allows them to naturally wear their feet down will have that shape. The difference between Cyn and Pony is that Cyn is ridden (in the summertime) on fairly abrasive gravel roads. The pony never gets off of that soft pasture, so her feet never get that natural toe roll worn into them. None of my barefoot horses do either. I have to PUT it there with the rasp.
Hallelujah!!! I'm thrilled to hear that coz I sure thought he was a gonner there for a while.
Hey, thanks for the tips. I see everything you pointed out. I'm going to make notes of this so the next time I can point this stuff out to him. I didn't know either that he shouldn't have rasped the overhang of the toe off. What's the purpose of that?
He did seem a bit choppy, but I'll give that some time to work itself out. It was almost like he was sure how to move. Makes sense tho. It has to feel different to him.
Thanks again for your help.
Becky
I have the same question, just from a tidiness point of view.
Dang you read and responded fast to that:)
Becky
a minute 19 ;~D I'm sitting here loading pics and video from junging Bay today.
I did ~what~?
LOL, and what have you been drinking today:)
I'm heading out, Harley is still standing out there tied, I want to look at his other foot now.
I just wrote out all Frog's tips so I remember them in six weeks.
I'm a bit bummed that I am going to have to shoe his back. That's another $15, but I want to do this right.
Becky
First, he HAD to have a bath.
Then lunged to warm him back up, because he was ~freezin'~. It's sunny here, but it's not hot ;~D. Even brought out a few poles. Here's video from today of him trotting the poles, for those of you able to view that.
I think he looks pretty good in it. Here's last week when he was ~not~ good, if you want to compare... Baytrot4-11.wmv
I grabbed some stills from that video because not everyone can view it, and because I was wanting to note and discuss something else that the farrier forum discusses constantly: Heel first landings.
It's tough to watch a horse in motion and tell if they are landing heel first or not, and even pictures it's hard to capture the right moment. I've been trying. But from taking stills from the video above, I was able to capture these:
Here, it looks like he's gonna land toe first...
But he doesn't. This is just a few frames later, and it looks to ~me~ like he's landing heel first. He flips it at the last moment.
Anyway, here's a series of shots through the poles.
He's out there standing tied all this time, while I fiddle around in here... I'm gonna saddle him and do a ride, gentle walking only trying to think myself light.
I've been trying to figure out how Harley lands too, and it IS tough to see.
I think you're right about Bay. He does look like he lands heel first.
You're such a responsible horse owner. I knock the dirt of the saddle and cinch areas, and go. Last week when I hosed off Harley, it was because he had MUD running out from under the pads...yikes.
Have a good ride.
Becky
Not a responsible one, a froo froo one. I can't stand to be around a dirty horse. :~\
Oh my:). I'll have to remember that.
I hate saddling, if I had to add giving a bath to a horse everytime I ride (which I would have too), I'd never do it.
Becky
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