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Free software? You can't just give it away
Times Online ^ | February 21, 2006 | Times Online

Posted on 02/23/2006 7:31:29 AM PST by N3WBI3

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To: Golden Eagle
BTW, the figures probably came from sourceforge

LOL, thanks for confirming you don't even know how they get the numbers you sourced...

81 posted on 02/23/2006 11:51:53 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: r9etb
The problem is that development and maintenance of open source code involve real costs. The Open Source model assumes that those costs will always be absorbed by good-hearted programmers, for free to everybody else.

Not at all. (Although that does in fact work in many cases). Many programmers get paid to work on open source projects, by companies selling support or services based on them.

Over time, however, the desire for stability within a company's code base, coupled with divergence from Open Source as companies modify Open Source for their own needs, ends up killing the model.

Not necessarily. Companies will often prefer to contribute their changes back to the main source tree, so they don't have to keep maintaining their patches.

Eventually, somebody simply grabs the Open Source, locks it down as a baseline, and starts selling their own modifications to all comers.

And if the license permits it, that's fine. Apple uses lots of BSD code in OS X, but BSD continues to exist. Choice is good.

82 posted on 02/23/2006 11:54:46 AM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: js1138
It is easy and inexpensive to set up web rings that boost each others rankings.

That's a quick way to get the Google "death sentence," where they reset your rank to zero. They've even done it to a lot of high-profile companies.

83 posted on 02/23/2006 12:01:06 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

But they have no problem with simply paying to have your rank improved. I have a couple of pages that have been up for well over a year with specific and unique text. I submitted them to google, but they never show up in searches. It isn't important to me, but it aroused my curiosity about how they search.


84 posted on 02/23/2006 12:06:52 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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Regarding Post #72

Y'all will notice that the wanker doesn't even try to dispute her trollish behavior.

85 posted on 02/23/2006 12:13:44 PM PST by zeugma (This post made with the 'Xinha Here!' Firefox plugin.)
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To: N3WBI3

Forrester Research and SourceForge are certainly reliable sources for the fact that 70+ percent of open source is based on "Stallman's rabid anti-capitalistic license. If you think you can disprove it, go ahead, but why would you, since you're so devoted to open source just as it is? You do constantly post all these links and articles praising that "rabid anti-capitalistc license", or are you goinh to deny that now too?


86 posted on 02/23/2006 12:15:54 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: zeugma

As expected, immediate name calling and no response whatsoever to the facts posted.


87 posted on 02/23/2006 12:18:03 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
It's not private property when you give it away for free,

It absolutely is. When you give a Christmas gift the gift never stops being private property.

88 posted on 02/23/2006 12:21:30 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

Don't distort the facts, open source is given to the proverbial "community" for free, meaning anyone who wants it. Why can't any of you debate honestly, or do you really just not iunderstand what "free software welfare for the world" really means??


89 posted on 02/23/2006 12:29:15 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Why can't any of you debate honestly

Yup its just you against all of us commie freepers...

90 posted on 02/23/2006 12:33:16 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

No it's not, and there's not that many of you either. Your type is easy to pick out too, with names like shadowman, newbi3, and anti-Republican or similar. Whatever happened to Red Neck and Red Zone? Haven't seen them much lately.


91 posted on 02/23/2006 12:41:34 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
The General Public License (GPL) accounts for 73% of open source projects

I've heard up to 80%. However, a quick search through SourceForge (the most popular repository for OSS, where most of the software is GPL) will show you that a vast majority of those projects are nothing, most not even out of the beta stage. There are about four times as many projects that have not progressed to production/stable/mature as have.

Let's look at software that matters: Linux, gcc, Apache web server, Firefox, Thunderbird, Tomcat, Python, Perl, SpamAssassin, MySQL, PostgresSQL, PHP, FreeBSD, CVS, X-Windows, Solaris, Darwin (OS X core). I can't think of any other open source software off the top of my head right now, can you?

Four of those are under the GPL, and MySQL has an alternate commercial license. The rest are under other licenses.

92 posted on 02/23/2006 12:42:24 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I can't think of any other open source software off the top of my head right now, can you?

Openoffice.org uses the LGPL.

93 posted on 02/23/2006 12:48:32 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle
Well if you boys could ever disprove the obvious ties between open source and communists/socialists you might finally win one of these arguments.

More like if you could ever prove your invented ties.

Venezuela's commie president probably wears cotton. Cotton must be communist! It is the choice of communists!

94 posted on 02/23/2006 12:49:44 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShadowAce

Whats x.org using?


95 posted on 02/23/2006 12:50:11 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Mono, Wine, Yast, Gimp, Hurd, and how could you forget Open Office? It's GPL isn't it?

Most are Gpl because it has a sneaky little clause the Free Software Foundation lawyers use to confiscate code from others.


96 posted on 02/23/2006 1:00:50 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3; ShadowAce

So you're ready to condem Stallman and his GPL licenses and recommend these other licenses like CDDL instead? Sure you are.


97 posted on 02/23/2006 1:05:17 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: js1138
But they have no problem with simply paying to have your rank improved.

What's paid for is conspicuously separated from the search results.

I submitted them to google, but they never show up in searches.

How many other sites link to yours? That's extremely important to your rank.

98 posted on 02/23/2006 1:09:28 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Condemn Stallman, sure... the guy is a nutcase. But I do not have a huge problem with the GPL, nor any other license that an IP owner decides to use, open or closed... Unlike you I'm consistent that a persons IP is theirs to license as they, not I, see fit..

Each IP owner should choose the license that works best for them..

99 posted on 02/23/2006 1:11:21 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
No it's not, and there's not that many of you either.

I don't know, maybe the owner of this site you're posting on? I'm sure for him it's not an ideological thing, but like the rest of us "commies" here sees OSS as a good business choice.

100 posted on 02/23/2006 1:12:15 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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