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Free software? You can't just give it away
Times Online ^ | February 21, 2006 | Times Online

Posted on 02/23/2006 7:31:29 AM PST by N3WBI3

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To: ShadowAce
Openoffice.org uses the LGPL.

Good one, and Stallman still hates them for using Java.

101 posted on 02/23/2006 1:13:20 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Most are Gpl because it has a sneaky little clause the Free Software Foundation lawyers use to confiscate code from others.

Most are GPL because the authors chose to release it that way. And if they decide to release their $100,000 worth of code as GPL because they're facing a copyright infringement suit, you somehow think that's wrong. But you don't think it's wrong if someone's facing a copyright infringement suit from Microsoft and has to pay up $100,000.

102 posted on 02/23/2006 1:16:28 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
BTW if you take a second ogg from trolling youll see the default icon I use for the OSS ping list is from opensource.org, among the licenses they define as opensource are:

Common Development and Distribution License
New BSD license
Mozilla Public License 1.1 (MPL)
Sun Industry Standards Source License (SISSL)
And many others, in addition to these I dont have any fundamental problems with closed source licenses..

103 posted on 02/23/2006 1:18:27 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
Gpl because it has a sneaky little clause

BTW, as far as sneaky clauses, have you seen some commercial software licenses? They'll sue you if you benchmark their application and publish the results. Surely you condemn that.

104 posted on 02/23/2006 1:18:45 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle; ShadowAce
sneaky little clause the Free Software Foundation lawyers use to confiscate code from others.

Yea just the other day I was programming and some buy from the FSF started buying me drinks, Next thing I remember I woke up in a strange server room and all my code had been released under the GPL....

105 posted on 02/23/2006 1:21:13 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
What you said was It's not private property when you give it away for free, and private ownership is the basis of capitalism.

I reject the premise that private property can't be given away.

106 posted on 02/23/2006 1:23:39 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: N3WBI3

Your buddy says 80 percent are GPL, you mean you're not going to question or insult him about it too? Why not? Because you're finally ready to admit 80 percent of all OSS is licensed by that "rabid anti-capitalist"? Might as well since you got blown out of the water trying to deny it.


107 posted on 02/23/2006 1:27:33 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Hey I never said it was not 75% I just asked for your source.

insult him about it too?

No inslut intended, you have in the past posted that Linux only had a 10% share, when pushed for a source it turned out to be closer to 20%

Because you're finally ready to admit 80 percent of all OSS

If you count every little never got off the ground alpha project on sourceforge, maybe. But if you count mainstream in use software like the contents of a RedHat CD its far south of 80%.

"rabid anti-capitalist"

I have written some code that is GPL, never once did I have to clear anything with that nutball RMS..

108 posted on 02/23/2006 1:30:43 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle; N3WBI3
Your buddy says 80 percent are GPL, you mean you're not going to question or insult him about it too?

Because I only said that's the high number I've heard. I don't claim it's true, only that's what I've heard. I remember numbers quite a bit lower than your 70%+ too. Like it matters anyway.

109 posted on 02/23/2006 1:31:34 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Absolutely. I'm against all licenses that steal from users or leave them vulnerable to lawsuits. Based on most legal analysis, Stallman's are the worst.


110 posted on 02/23/2006 1:32:35 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Tribune7

Do whatever you want, but those claiming the giving of private property to the community is the prime example of capitalism have definitely lost it.


111 posted on 02/23/2006 1:35:55 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3
But if you count mainstream in use software like the contents of a RedHat CD its far south of 80%.

Proof? Let's see it.

112 posted on 02/23/2006 1:40:01 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

Just like those claiming that licensing your IP anyway you want is not Capitalism have lost it?


113 posted on 02/23/2006 1:40:10 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
No inslut intended, you have in the past posted that Linux only had a 10% share, when pushed for a source it turned out to be closer to 20%

This I know to be a lie. You can admit it now or I will post the link shortly.

114 posted on 02/23/2006 1:44:10 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
The predominant software license is the GNU GPL. Slightly over half of the software is simply licensed using the GPL, and the software packages using the copylefting licenses (the GPL and LGPL), at least in part or as an alternative, accounted for 63% of the code. In all ways, the copylefting licenses (GPL and LGPL) are the dominant licenses in this GNU/Linux distribution. In contrast, only 0.2% of the software is public domain.

http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html

Youll notice I find sources with a methodology listed.

115 posted on 02/23/2006 1:47:46 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle

Post it! You said 10-15% worldwide, the article said 15-20% in north America!


116 posted on 02/23/2006 1:48:40 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

63% is not significantly less than 75%. Stallman's licenses are still the predominant licenses on even the commercial versions of Linux.


117 posted on 02/23/2006 1:54:31 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Do whatever you want, but those claiming the giving of private property to the community is the prime example of capitalism have definitely lost it.

If you can't do what you want with your property it's not private nor are you free.

118 posted on 02/23/2006 2:01:10 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Golden Eagle
Ahem..

N3WBI3 says: "But if you count mainstream in use software like the contents of a RedHat CD its far south of 80%."

One: I never said far south of 75%, I said 80%. But just make up whatever you want, were used to it.

Two: 63 is only three quarters of 80, I know 25% might now be significant to you, at least its not when it suits you, but it is, in fact, significant.

Stallman's licenses are still the predominant licenses on even the commercial versions of Linux.

And yet RedHat is a growing, healthy company kinda shows the the GPL and capitalism are not incompatible... thanks for making my point, it took me awhile to lead you here but that statement was worth the time..

119 posted on 02/23/2006 2:02:05 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
Absolutely. I'm against all licenses that steal from users or leave them vulnerable to lawsuits.

That's almost every commercial license out there, as they usually curtail your fair use rights.

Specifically, that clause I mentioned has been in in Microsoft's license for SQL Server for a while, and they have threatened legal action over benchmark results that were unfavorable to their product, stopping the publication. Using a license to quash freedom of speech, gotta love it. That is one evil software license, far worse than any free license I've ever seen.

120 posted on 02/23/2006 2:02:08 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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