[Always Right]

Let me just tell you that Ben was further ahead a fraction of a second before that still.

Absolutely, and this is the best angle of the moment Ben made his furthest forward progress.

What it shows is:

1. Ben's elbow over the line
2. 3/4's of Ben's wristband over the line.
3. The ball hidden behind his arm.

It is certainly not a 'definite TD'. Is the ball withing 2" of the goal? certainly. Did the ball break the plane? no one can say for certain. The ref made the best call humanly possible under the circumstances. Was it the right call? Me and Ben thinks he came up a fraction short, but it is just too darn close. Reguardless, I don't see how it diminishes the win.

[beyond the sea]

Nope .......... Ben was higher than in that shot you show over and over again, and you don't have the still with him higher off the ground before he was being pulled back by the legs.

As I've told you, and I'm trying to be completely honest with you, you need to get film/video from a camera in about that position and SEE IT. Then you would be hip to the facts and you could stop the endless misinformed complaints. You are like Mary Mapes with the fake documents. You do not have the correct evidence, believe me.

So ........... just be careful with the tears and the keyboard.

[Petronski]

Absolutely, and this is the best angle of the moment Ben made his furthest forward progress.

Uh, no.