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To: Golden Eagle
Read my post again, I said if they're allowed to get it at all, which I don't want to allow. Giving it to them for free is the worst possible case though. Is that why you're wondering if I want to sell it, because that is contrary to your belief it should be given to them for free?

You have hopelessly confused intellectual property rights, economic philosophy, national defense, foreign policy and software preference into an unpalatable hash. When confronted with the weakness of one strain in this rotten goulash, you just move to the next. The biggest problem, though, is the way you view Red China and our national approach to them. You are stuck in the 60s.
1) "Red" China is not the old Stalinist Soviet Union. They are not ideologues about Marxism. It could be argued that they are not Marxists or Maoists at all, except in their insistence that the gun of state power must remain in the "People's Congress." That is not socialistic, just totalitarian.
2) China has already been "infected" with the virus of freedom and individual rights. Economic freedom and individual rights are inseparably joined. State control grows brittle and eventually breaks apart in an environment where people have control of their destinies. We have 20 years of proof of this in the old Soviet empire.
3) Because of 1) and 2) above, your insistence that we view China as a "threat" in the model of the Russkies of the 50's thru 80's is just silly. We resist the threat that China poses (and they are a threat, just not on your model) by OPENING our doors, not closing them. To kill them, you use Bibles, radios, cd's, computers, Disneyland, cars, business models which they can pick up and adapt, etc., etc. Their prosperity is not a threat, as their growing prosperity KILLS the threat. That is why your ossified shrieks of "STOP THE REDS!!" is just silly. It is like the French looking to the Maginot Line........, wrong war.

A state like China morphs - like all nascent market states- from one which grabs everything they can to stuff it into their growing markets into one which recognizes that running a carriage and four thru property rights (intellectual or otherwise) will ultimately retard their own development. They don't do this because they have all been struck with "thou shalt not steal" but because they are FORCED BY THE MARKETS to accept market principles...."thou shalt not steal" being a lynchpin of the idea of free markets.
Another way of saying this is to say that Adam Smith sought to explain why morality compels free markets. He was a Presbyterian and deeply influenced by the Christian worldview of his day. The Chinese share no such heritage, but are rather coming to see that free markets (with their economic benefits) compels morality. Both China and the USA will be taught - however unwillingly - that economic freedom and morality are joined at the hip. You lose one, and you lose the other.

You point to a thieving, lying, "win at all costs" economy emerging from state control as "proof" of the Chinese threat. I say u r hopelessly ignorant of the real China and what is happening there. Read Nicholas Berg's recent piece in the Times re: the future "Chinese Constantine." There is an underlying philosophical shift occurring in China that makes the recent tsunammis look like water splashing in the bathtub.

Just like the flower children of the 60's need to get over Ellsberg and their romantic dreams, you need to get over your Communist paranoias. It is a different world.

Sorry for the long post.

55 posted on 02/08/2006 5:17:32 AM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: When_Penguins_Attack
You have hopelessly confused intellectual property rights, economic philosophy, national defense, foreign policy and software preference into an unpalatable hash.

Huh? Sounds like you've had too much yourself. Bottom line is you want to give them things, for free, when we have a huge trade defecit already. You say my position is "STOP THE REDS", I say yours is "LOVE THE REDS".

58 posted on 02/09/2006 5:46:03 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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