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To: CreativeRandom
Many people often speak of the "dangers" of capitalism - unsafe working conditions, little kids working, too many hours in a week, low wages, monotonous work, no health care. This is really the big argument against laissez-faire.
Imagine how things changed between primarily agrarian societies, with its wall to wall health care, no child labor, short work week, widespread wealth -- and industrial societies.

Just a little joke to illustrate a point. :') The medieval Black Plague led to mechanization due to the labor shortage; industrialization led to urban growth, which necessitated colonization to avoid (as it was thought) starvation and overpopulation; waste products from one industry sometimes wound up as products in a new industry; growth and change became commonplace.

Farming is still hard work, but engines made mechanized agriculture possible, and what is now the US has gone from a 100 per cent agrarian society four centuries ago to at least 98 per cent non-agrarian. Agricultural surplus is the basis for civilization. That probably explains why the airbrained hippies from the 60s wanted to get rid of industrialization, and their airbrained older versions want to get rid of its trappings. Getting rid of personal transportation (for example) and internal combustion requires labor-intensive farming. Look, everybody, 100 per cent employment. We'd put a hammer and sickle on the flag to emphasize that everyone's now living in the workers' paradise, but didn't want to be obvious about it.
Now, it is obvious why such conditions existed after the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act and FDR's presidency...
Hawley-Smoot passed in 1930, and contributed to an ongoing disaster which began with the upheaval in WWI. It's clear that the post-WWI pubbie presidents weren't laissez-faire at all, or they wouldn't have tried to "protect" everyone, including by suddenly increasing reserve requirements in the banking system, leading to the bursting of the stock bubble and the 1929 stock market crash. And FDR doubled 'em in 1937. Pitchfork Pat wants to return to all that.
What other "horrors" does unrestricted business and laissez-faire economics supposedly bring?
Free trade, oh, no, shiver me timbers. OTOH, loss of control over major resources, including in particular the food supply, but more obviously the energy supply, is a consequence (and not necessarily temporary; seldom do governments coexist with a political vacuum) of laissez-faire politics. The Luddites want to eliminate farm subsidies (but only when they are not in political control; this too can change) in pursuit of some kind of back to the land and return to a politically correct family farm which has never existed. The laissez-fairies want to eliminate farm subsidies in order to further enrich themselves, while loftily claiming it is to restore a market economy which has never been lost.
8 posted on 02/08/2006 8:22:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (If you could read my mind, you'd know I dislike Gordon Lightfoot.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Excuse me, I am unfamiliar with the format here.

Quote SunkenCiv:
"clear that the post-WWI pubbie presidents weren't laissez-faire at all, or they wouldn't have tried to "protect" everyone"

Actually, after Wilson we had a strong conservative run. Calvin Coolidge, my personal favorite president (and should be all conservatives' favorite) was extremely conservative and as laissez-faire as you can get. Harding, despite having some personal issues, was also a supreme president that was the last of the no-intereference-federalist-restrictionist presidents. Hoover however, had some fatal flaws and in my opinion, was a democrat.

If you check the track record, they imposed no acts against business (harding and coolidge).

"leading to the bursting of the stock bubble and the 1929 stock market crash."

There was no "crash" at these times, and in relative terms, those "crashes" were pretty mild. Notice also, that these "crashes" coincide directly with the dates the Smoot-Hawley tariff act passed certain legislation (Passed in the House, then Senate, then Presidential approval). That is probably the best example I can think of in the support that the economy reacts immediately, and nothing is slow or gradual (such as those liberal idiots who think we don't have time to wait for the revenues from tax cuts).

So are you against laissez-faire? Your post seems to be all over the place, but excuse me as I am in a rush at the moment. You mentioned that laissez-faire is bad, such as energy industry. Well, if you are really saying that, you must be deluded. Honestly, you come off as alot more knowledgeable than someone who'd say that. I think I can beat your argument in one phrase....

Tennessee Valley Authority.

Have a good day!


9 posted on 02/09/2006 8:14:52 AM PST by CreativeRandom
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