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9/11 ATTACKS Avoiding the hard questions
Miami Herald ^ | Feb. 01, 2006 | ROBERT STEINBACK

Posted on 02/01/2006 8:42:15 PM PST by Anthem

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To: bnelson44
You don't have to heat steel to the melting point, for example, for it to bend or break.

Now, now, even though the 9-11 conspirators just eliminated the art of blacksmithing, don't let that get in the way of the truth getting out!

21 posted on 02/01/2006 8:52:38 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Anthem
I was 8 years old when President John Kennedy was shot to death in Dallas in 1963. If grace favors me, I'll be 62 when documents related to the assassination are released to the public, and 84 when the Warren Commission's investigative files into the tragedy are finally opened

This dude really needs to find a life

22 posted on 02/01/2006 8:52:50 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Anthem
Jones' work is not of that class. Read it.

Occam's razor slit his throat.

23 posted on 02/01/2006 8:53:04 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Howlin; dirtboy



Yeah...lol.

This is such crap as to be laughable.


24 posted on 02/01/2006 8:53:05 PM PST by onyx
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To: Anthem
Why did all three buildings collapse largely into their own footprints -- in the style of a controlled demolition?

Hey, guess what . . . believe it or not, that's exactly how tall buildings collapse -- controlled demolition or not.

25 posted on 02/01/2006 8:53:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Anthem

"But there cannot be genuine resolution as long as such critical information remains concealed."

We saw the 'critical' information. Case solved.


26 posted on 02/01/2006 8:53:38 PM PST by gate2wire
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To: Alberta's Child

It's called pancaking.


27 posted on 02/01/2006 8:54:43 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Anthem

There are a couple of legitimate questions here. For example, I've long suspected that the design of the buildings was one of the contributing factors in their collapse. The external lattice frame that was used in their construction was an innovative design element back then, and I suspect the buildings would have stood a much better chance of surviving the impact and fire if they were constructed with a standard internal column/beam frame.


28 posted on 02/01/2006 8:56:14 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: dirtboy
-- I saw the collapses many, many times - and they started at the very point of impact. So not only would the wires, devices and charges have to survive the impact, BUT THE HIJACKERS AND THE DEMOLITION EXPERTS WOULD HAVE HAD TO COORDINATE WHERE THE PLANES WERE GONNA HIT IN EACH BUILDING - EVEN THOUGH THEY HIT AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.

Not at all difficult to fly into a specified altitude. The computers can land the planes these days. We don't know what survived the collapse becuase it was hauled away under tight security.

29 posted on 02/01/2006 8:56:14 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem; hellinahandcart

There's no investigation since the root cause of 9/11 is because of Clinton's inaction against terrorism suring his administration.

All this other planned demolishing nonesense is just that.


30 posted on 02/01/2006 8:56:39 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: dirtboy
Now, now, even though the 9-11 conspirators just eliminated the art of blacksmithing, don't let that get in the way of the truth getting out!

No way are you getting this from your article. Find out the facts from a structural engineer first and come back, with some real facts. Let the experts tell you what happened and what couldn't possibly have happened. Why can't you believe people who actually put buildings up and bring them down for a living instead of conspiracy theorists?

31 posted on 02/01/2006 8:56:50 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Blackirish

Check the poster's signup date before you start that crap.


32 posted on 02/01/2006 8:57:35 PM PST by nunya bidness (“Unsung, the noblest deed will die.” - Pindar)
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To: Alberta's Child

How did the Twin Towers fall?
1. Impact from the Terrorist Planes
When Boeing jets piloted by terrorists struck the Twin Towers, some 10,000 gallons (38 kiloliters) of jet fuel fed an enormous fireball. But, the impact of the planes and the burst of flames did not make the Towers collapse right away. Like most buildings, the Twin Towers had redundant design. The term redundant design means that when one system fails, another carries the load. Each of the Twin Towers had 244 columns around a central core that housed the elevators, stairwells, mechanical systems, and utilities. When some columns were damaged, others could still support the building.
2. Heat from the Fires
The sprinkler system was damaged by the impact of the planes. But even if the sprinklers had been working, they could not have maintained enough pressure to stop the fire. Fed by the remaining jet fuel, the heat became intense. Most fires don't get hotter than 900 to 1,100 degrees F. The World Trade Center fire may have reached 1,300 or 1,400 degrees F. Structural steel does not easily melt, but it will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel structure of the Twin Towers was weakened by the extreme heat. The steel also became distorted because the heat was not a uniform temperature.

3. Collapsing Floors
Most fires start in one area and then spread. The fire from the terrorist planes covered the area of an entire floor almost instantly. As the weakened floors began to collapse, they crashed into the floors below. With the weight of the plunging floors accelerating, the exterior walls buckled.

Why did the collapsed towers look so flat?
Before the terrorist attack, the Twin Towers were 110 stories tall. Constructed of lightweight steel around a central core, they were about 95% air. After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high.


33 posted on 02/01/2006 8:57:42 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: bnelson44
--You don't have to heat steel to the melting point, for example, for it to bend or break.

No, in fact at 1300o it loses 80% of its strength. Jones dealt with that. Read the report.

34 posted on 02/01/2006 8:58:03 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem
Not at all difficult to fly into a specified altitude. The computers can land the planes these days.

The terrorists didn't take lessons in landing the planes. They didn't know how to use the comptuters in the planes to land them. Those are proven facts. We don't know what survived the collapse becuase it was hauled away under tight security.

And a thousand news cameras.

35 posted on 02/01/2006 8:58:50 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Alberta's Child
--Hey, guess what . . . believe it or not, that's exactly how tall buildings collapse -- controlled demolition or not.

In the report he shows the upper portion twisting and beginning to fall. What happened to that angular momentum?

36 posted on 02/01/2006 8:59:57 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: onyx

Why did the collapsed towers look so flat?
Before the terrorist attack, the Twin Towers were 110 stories tall. Constructed of lightweight steel around a central core, they were about 95% air. After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high.


37 posted on 02/01/2006 9:00:20 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Anthem
Back in the day, FR was good at this sort of thing.

Back in the day, Michael Rivero was a regular poster on FreeRepublic.

When he turned into a jew hating kook, he was banned.  He's still out there if you want to find out what really happened.

 

38 posted on 02/01/2006 9:01:51 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Anthem

Your really into this aren't you? Until Jones gets a degree in structural engineering and about 10 years of pratical work under his belt, my cursory read will have to do.

Well I'm going to bed.



39 posted on 02/01/2006 9:01:54 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: onyx
Conspriazoids are just bored, you know, everyone needs to feel important!
40 posted on 02/01/2006 9:02:30 PM PST by roses of sharon ("I would rather men ask why I have no statue, than why I have one". ) (Cato the Elder)
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