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To: pcottraux; golfdude
That's NOT how things "work." Prayer is not something where you just ask God for whatever and He delivers. It's not a free ride. It's about a total sacrifice of self in favor of serving Him. It's about a perfect yielding to His divine plan and to the Blood He shed for man's salvation.

That' the problem our detractors have, they view God like a vending machine or like Santa Claus, you ask and you receive. It ain't like that at all. Sometimes you ask for His help and whatnot and there are times the answer may ne "no, not now but hang in there" or it may not be exactly what you want or what you expect would happen. I had a job prior to that and could have said no, but my hart told me to jump and grab the Golden Ring. It's like my current job, it may not be exactly what I want but the money is fair and it is an excellent chance to have some doors open for me. Before the right girl comes along, I have to get my economic house in order so that could be God's answer to me. Plus as you put it, God expects things from us too, our trust in Him, living our lives as good as we can be as well as our sweat and effort such as the case in my job.

There's no such thing as "normal." It's all relative.

Well, yeah, exactly what is normal? You start getting into statistics here and that where my head begins to hurt. Adding to that, as Mom told me as a kid, "just because all of your friends jumo off the Westinghouse Bridge, should you?" Or as Obi Wan Kenobi said in "Star Wars, Episode IV, "who is the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him?"

Here we really find the problem. You view sexuality as a self-gratification; a temporary pleasure. We view it as a full expression of love: a Holy union of flesh and spirit between man and wife. It is too sacred to us to be short-changed for self-gratifying.

Exactly, I could not have said it better.

Not only that, but in our viewpoint, the Bible condemns sex before marriage. It is fornication, a sin of the flesh. Missing out on God's perfect plan for eternal salvation is not worth it. Hell is not worth all the pleasure in the world. I would rather be a virgin my entire life than spend eternity in Hell. Think about ETERNITY for a minute. It never ends. You are there FOREVER. You will NEVER get out! EVER!!

Good points. I know we all sin and many people do lead sinful lives but if they redeem themselves to God and ask for His forgiveness and guidance, they can redeem themselves. But getting back to the point, I have to think, "would chancing an eternity in Hell a good price for a few minutes of pleasure. I think not. I'm not saying anyone here will go there, it is up to God to decide, but He has laid down rules for us to strive to live by. We may fail at times but we do try our best and God realizes that.

I'm sure there are plenty out there who are just as lonely as us. It's just a matter of when God is ready for us to meet.

True, things like that can't be rushed, if you do, you can screw up and/or end up with someone not right for you.
225 posted on 01/27/2006 7:49:31 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Michael Savage for President in 2008!!! He is our only hope!)
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To: Nowhere Man; golfdude
Obi Wan Kenobi said in "Star Wars, Episode IV, "who is the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him?"

Dude, you are 40 years old and you quote Obi Wan Kenobi as a guiding force in your life? I think maybe that, and not God's plans for you, are the reason you are still a virgin.

226 posted on 01/27/2006 9:05:05 PM PST by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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